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James Ford, better known by the alias of "Sawyer", is one of the middle section survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. Sawyer's early life was ravaged by the con man who ultimately claimed both his parent's lives through conning them, instantly orphaning him. As a child, he wrote a letter to this con man, hoping to deliver it to him in person one day. Sawyer set out to search for him, presumably after he left school, however he, himself, ultimately became a con man and became the man he was hunting, became Sawyer. Revenge plays a big part in Sawyer's life, starting with the real Sawyer. On the island, Sawyer has often used his abilities to con people to get his wishes, and keeps a stash of useful items with him. However, after the death of the real Sawyer, he has begun to rethink his ways and is slowly turning into a leader for the survivors.
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CableRunner
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June 5th, 2008, 08:34 PM
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So, which is it folks?
Alien technology or future human technology that has somehow slipped time allowing us to see and use it. The island I mean, or Jacob, if you wish to call it that.
I'm going for future human tech, as in the Philadelphia experiment, only produced far in the future, and lost, first finding it's way to the Egyptians, who tried to use it, or at least understand it, then to the Mayans, eventually to the 60's, and American businessmen fronting colleges, ALL thwarted by a few who have lived on the island for as long as it's existed... led by the Not-yet-born, Richard Alpert(which is why he doesn't age, he isn't born yet).
The Others are not searching for a chosen one, they are searching for the creator of the island itself, who alone knows how to properly use the technology that has been manipulated since the first ancients found the island. The Others just want to get home, to their own time. any thoughts?
But I'll listen to those who have a theory that it's an alien ship covered in jungle vines!
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June 5th, 2008, 10:06 PM
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I think it is future human technology! I'm just thinking about what we've seen or heard:
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Ben warned Locke to put his flashlight away, telling him, "He feels the same way about technology as you do."
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The highly advanced seeming technology used by a people who aesthetically appear primitive (the foot statue builders) – They seem to have made the smoke monster (Ben's secret door has glyphs, etc. on it), and the donkey wheel. If these were survivors of some apocalypse in the future, though, these things might make sense. They were just employing some leftover technology from the golden age of humanity, which seems magical to the viewer and the losties. Alternatively, the builders of these artifacts were not at all primitive – they simply adopted a primitive aesthetic for themselves – having achieved a level of engineering prowess that allowed them to make very strong and functional constructions in any style they felt like. -lostpedia
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The large color screen on this handset is much more advanced than any satellite phone handset commercially available in 2004, suggesting that Naomi may come from a different time or has access to technologies not available to the general public. This is further supported by Sayid's comment that he had never seen technology this sophisticated before; in "real time" they have only been on the island a couple of months, with his experience as a communications officer he would have a decent grasp of available modern technology.
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- Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (1865)
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CableRunner
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June 6th, 2008, 12:18 AM
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It would be disappointing to have an end summed up by alien technology, abandoned by the creators, or outliving the creators, and found by countless civilizations here on earth... well, actually, that's not bad, but I think it's been done before. But to say the island is a human creation, 'lost' with it's crew from it's own timeline, searching now, in the islands past for it's human creator, not born yet, is something to consider.
Consider Alpert, checking into Locke's past, seeing his birth, his adolescence and teen years, producing random items and asking a young Locke which one of the trinkets is his. This action could be taken in many ways, but we know these things don't belong to Locke, so who? If Locke, or whoever owns the items originally, should know them as a boy, then what is the show trying to say? I doubt I would have known as a boy that I'd own the car I have (and love) now... so is the show saying the true owner would be reborn, or transferred (like the Dalai Lama) to a new person? This seems spiritual, or supernatural where the show seems based on science fiction. I guess you can have both, but I can't see it.
Maybe the island is like the ring from Lord of the Rings, where the island, jacob, is partly human, a spirit, a ghost in the machine, and it needs it's actual human form to realize it's potential. Dharma didn't understand, and ben may only partly understand, which is why he keeps trying to bring pregnancy to the island, when Richard knows it doesn't matter, the reall Jacob will eventually appear.
Maybe the real Jacob communed with the dead, so Richard believed ben was the one, only to find out later he was wrong. Ben has Richard believe Locke is it, cured of a handicap when he's finally, truly home. But it seems Locke is out of favor now too, off the island, and now dead. Perhaps the real 'chosen one' was born on island, right under their noses, and now Aaron is gone, and ben and Locke must get him back (with crew?) for things to be right again. If this is the case, then their are also forces working against the island, keeping spirit and body apart.
I may be crazy, but there has to be something to the Lost logo with the reflection, of something, below the losties and jungle. Some think it's a city, and it very well could be, a city that warps like the boats in the Philly experiment, popping up in areas of Vile vortices, grabbing pirate ships, smaller islands and mountains as it emerges, only to vanish when it's long covered and cajoled instruments are used.
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June 6th, 2008, 12:43 AM
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I don't think aliens play into it at all, although it would be awesome. I do, however, think that the island's ancient structures/technology (smoke monster, wheel, statue) is a remnant from an ancient civilization, not from the future. I mean, if it was all happening in the future as well as being perceived in the shows present time-line, it would create a classic unsolvable paradox; if an event occurs in the "future" and is subsequently transported into the "past", then how could it occur again the same way?
I mean, that's all fun theory but I'd be pissed if they chose an explanation like that for LOST.
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June 6th, 2008, 08:36 AM
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But an ancient civilization that has technology that makes 2008 humanity wonder. I don't know, if the people from Atlantis were so advanced, what happened. How did they get theri knowledge, why wasn't it passed on. I read the Atlantis/Egypt news blurb, it said nothing, really, just that their might be a city under ash...
If what you are saying is correct, the ancient civilization cure aging, can use pillars of black smoke read minds, and kill, and they can reanimate the dead. Sounds like the future to me.
You see, if the writers say that it is Atalntis, then they will have to explain Atlantis, something better left to myth and legend. Saying it's from the future, well, you on't have to explain it.
And maybe that's the point, occurring the same way. Maybe Alpert is searching for people who would eventually be involved in the project, so it occurs the same way.
Hey, I don't pretend to have a clue, I'm just trying to make sense of what the writers are showing us.
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June 6th, 2008, 01:16 PM
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Maybe the island is like the ring from Lord of the Rings, where the island, jacob, is partly human, a spirit, a ghost in the machine, and it needs it's actual human form to realize it's potential.
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I like this idea - that the island is infused with Jacob's essence. That somehow the two became one. Jacob is a real mystery to me, and the island "being alive" puzzles me.
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June 6th, 2008, 03:47 PM
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The whole Atlantis thing...why would that have to be the explanation if it was an ancient civilization? I don't think it's Atlantis, but more of a tribal, Lovecraftian culture built on the island from the inside out. Since we know the island can "move", the civilization must have been completely inclusive.
I think the forces on the island are truly supernatural, and unexplainable. There are many such places that actually exist, where physics and science sort of twist.
The ancients must have developed the wheel, the room I am SURE is behind it, the statue, and maybe the smoke monster (although i think that thing is from another dimension or something). They lived in harmony with the island's forces instead of manipulating them like the D.I., and I think that's what the Others are fighting to return to...the ancient's way of life.
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June 8th, 2008, 09:22 PM
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Tri-Smog, I agree, lovecrafrian is definately at play, but didn't old HP use aliens as his factor. The only civilization I remeber him describing was an old civilization, but one that was alien in nature, found years later frozen, but crafty once they were thawed.
I just wanted, by this post, for people to admit that the heart of the isalnd is either an ancient civilization based on alien technology, or a future human tech.... It has to be one or the other, because saying the isalnd is human generated, but long ago, doesn''t explain much, there is still a mystery as to how. If not Atlantis, or something similiar, then what? This is a character driven show, or it started that way.. but we, as viewers, aren't understanding the stage that the characters are playing upon, and that's the real mystery.
AND THANSK YOU PCHEE!!! I said long ago that I read that the pinkie toe was curling up and dying in the future human, but everyone scoffed . I too think the statue may not be past, but a future monument. Do we remember when the tape for the orchid started to 'loop' back to the beginning... a clue I thinks!
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