Widemore and the Dharma Initiative - Page 4

woops, didn't bother to read the article. So, what do you think? will Switzerland get "moved" to another time/space during mid June's preliminary beam tests?

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Originally Posted by marvinflashlight

I think Widmore is associated with the Dharma Initiative, but I'm very perplexed about one thing that just doesn't fit--the Dharma supply drop in season 2. I think this is one of the most challenging mysteries on the show, and it may be evidence that Widmore is not behind Dharma.

Assuming these supplies were recent (flashing beacon), and that they came from Dharma (hence the packaging), and they came from off the island, wouldn't it follow that Widmore would have had the island location and bearing all along? Whoever sent the supplies had to have known the location of the island.

If Widmore is Dharma, then somebody else, impersonating Dharma is sending them...

I'll recognize that there are a lot of time travel/time distortion theories out there, but does anybody really believe that Dharma could have dropped supplies in 1984, and they didn't arrive until 2004. If this is the answer, the science becomes very complicated, and it opens all manner of paradox possibilities--I think Damon and Carlton are wary of both and would not do this.

Personlly, I suspect that the supply drop represents a plot point that has been abandoned for whatever reason. If Widmore is Dharma, I can't see a plausible story behind the food drops.

What am I missing?

I was wondering about that also. Maybe there is a third party (that we will be introduced to next season) that is trying to take over the island. Maybe not, but IF there is then they could somehow be manipulating Jacob (since he seemed rather contradictory, if that is the word, in the last few episodes of the season). That is why Jacob wanted Ben to move the island so he would leave it before his time is up and not be able to come back when it is moved. And the third party could also be the cause of Locke's death after they take over the island. That way they got rid of both of the leaders of "the others" and gained control of the island. Jacob (being manipulated) told Locke not to tell anyone where Claire was and separated her from Aaron, because Aaron is another potential leader of the island when he grows up, which is why they wanted to get rid of him. They might not have wanted to get involved until the right moment, which is when Ben and Whidmore are at war. The third party could possibly be the skinny black man (forget his name) who was giving Naomi orders in one of the first episodes of the season and who was telling Locke to go on the walkabout when he is ready in the latter episode this season. (The reason why he wants Locke to go to the island as opposed not to go is so that he would take leadership and force Ben to leave the island.) The third party might also consist of several other people including Miles, who seems to have a hidden agenda on the island. If this is true when they may be the ones who are dropping the food supplies to the island, but are unable to, or don't want to act until the time is right. They may also be the creators or be behind the mystery of the state of liberty with only four toes too.

First time poster here... I have tried very hard to follow all the rabbit trails of this show... after seeing interviews with the producers and their statement that everythign in the show can be explained through science, I am questioning the sincerity of that statement.

I am not sure they can bring "everything" around to be explained in our natural world. Obviously there is lots of info that has not been divulged yet, and the answers could come... but until I see the answers, I will continue to watch one of the best shows ever created.

thus science fiction, cared with scientific knowledge.

this thread is about discussing the Widemore - Dharma Initiative connection - please stay on the subject of thread.

I think a third party is a real possibility and it seems like Jacob would be involved somehow.

Who brought Radinsky and Kelvin to the island? Ben? Doesn't quite fit.

I think that Widmore was behind Dharma before the purge (when Ben took the island from him), but maybe he was kicked out or something later. After Ben/Others, and Dharma, maybe Widmore is the third party.

If Dharma built the Orchid over the donkey wheel, and it took basically an explosion to get access to move the island, wouldn't that mean that the island couldn't have been moved since before the Orchid station? I assumed that after Ben took control, he must have moved the island, but that doesn't seem the case.

We assume that the purge wiped out the Dharma initiative. Maybe it lives on under Ben in a new form, and Widmore was pre-Dharma. Maybe Ben just purged the impure Dharmites and went on with the work? If that's the case, they don't take very good care of their stations, but they were still using them.

I don't know.

3 groups. Ben leads the others (or did...), Dharma is still involved somehow (maybe in alliance with Ben), and Widmore is trying to get his foot in the door after being thrown out?

05:32 PM

Getting back to Widmore and Ben's connection, I had a thought the other day that was very strange, and strangely cool to me.
What if Widmore is actually Ben's father? It's a stretch, but the show seems to have a lot of father issues, and it would explain quite a lot.
Widmore, in my theory, was involved with Alvar Hanso, and facilitated the funding of the D.I. But, being a distrusting individual, he went there himself to see his investment. However, while he was there he met a woman, and got her pregnant. Now we know women on the island die when pregnant, but maybe the baby Ben survived because the island wanted him to take a leadership position. Perhaps Widmore blames Ben not only for ruining the D.I., but also holds him responsible for his mother's death.
It would also explain why everyone is so obsessed with Aaron, because his birth would have been seen by the Others as the coming of a second leader.

I have been having these SAME ideas! I think you're onto something.

So Ben is going to killl his sister to get back at his father? Ben may be just that twisted.

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Originally Posted by Trismogistus

What if Widmore is actually Ben's father?

what if ben is widmore's father!?!?!?!?!?

either way it would make penelope his blood relative and why would he want to bring harm to her. unless he has a deep rooted reason for feeling more connected to a non-blood relative (alex) than an actual blood relative.