Widemore and the Dharma Initiative - Page 2

and i hope i like lost in another one of my lifes too

I hadn't thought about the issue of the food supply drop. That does throw a wrench into my theory but I still think it could still be right. If either the timeline stuff or like just automated. Cause either way, why would they still send supplies if Dharma is OBVIOUSLY gone anyways... Hmm interesting.

you know i was thinking about the food drop issue and what i thought of is:
maybe ben did not move the island at all. maybe the island moved when the hatch exploded. remember the noise and the flash. maybe that's when the island actually moved. moved in time and/or by physicall location.
i'm curious to see if this "search for ben" by widemore developes more through flasbacks. because this search could be a recent developement by widemore, which would support this idea.

Didn't we learn from Mrs. Hawking that whenever there are variations in time, the universe (or the island?) corrects them? So it goes to reason that any multiple timelines will end up being "squeezed" together into one, eventually.

So multiple timelines can't really exist. When something new happens in the past, that new thing is not going to make any difference in the end. Timelines come together, not split. An action doesn't result in two planes, two Jacks, etc. Assuming we believe Mrs. Hawking. And why not? She's a sweet old lady.

There are certainly a few pecular time anomalies going on, but everything seems to have an explanation in this reality, eventually.

In Tunisia, Ben only asks about the date. There's no indication that he's unsure of, or cares, which "timeline" he's in. I think Ben knows that freaky weird stuff happens when they pull the Orchid's lever, but these are random and potentially dangerous results. In regard to this aspect of the show, nobody (Ben, Dharma, Widmore...) understands what's happening exactly, they only know what has happened before so it's understandable that Ben would at least check on the date. I think at one time Dharma investigated this aspect of the island because they thought they could somehow control time travel, but I think they abandoned the research because it always ended up with more disaster than not.

Damon and Carlton are brilliant. I don't think they'll take the lazy way out and explain everything away with multiple timelines. What makes the show good is that all this crazy stuff really is happening in one context, I believe, and we're not going to get all the answers.

Some stuff will never make sense, but there it is. Deal with it. That's why it's a mysterious island.

The multiple timeline theory gets boring quick:

Why two planes? Multiple timelines...
How can Alpert be here, there, where ever? Or be so old? Multiple timelines...
How come Jacob isn't in his cabin? He's visiting another timeline...
How can Jack's dad be both dead and alive? Multiple timelines...
Why is Locke happy one day, sad the next? Multiple timelines...
Where should we move the island? Into another timeline...
Why is smokey sometimes nice, sometimes scary? There are two of them and sometimes they exchange timelines...
How did Hurley really win the lottery? The island switched his ticket with one from another timeline...

It's just too lazy.

Superwahine,

I like your idea. There just might be something to that. If someone stops pushing the button, the island "jumps away." Maybe turning the failsafe key moves the island rather than letting it be destroyed somehow. The island moves, and the signal that Penny's men find marks the new location.

Hmm...

I definitely don't remember hearing anyone use multiple timelines to explain all that!

"Didn't we learn from Mrs. Hawking that whenever there are variations in time, the universe (or the island?) corrects them? So it goes to reason that any multiple timelines will end up being "squeezed" together into one, eventually.

"So multiple timelines can't really exist. When something new happens in the past, that new thing is not going to make any difference in the end. Timelines come together, not split. An action doesn't result in two planes, two Jacks, etc. Assuming we believe Mrs. Hawking. And why not? She's a sweet old lady."

I think you don't understand the multiple timelines theory. Timelines don't split, true but they also don't come together. In fact, they have no effect on each other. Multiple timelines does not go against what Mrs. Hawking was saying. But if someone crossed over from one to another, that would be a problem and it seems to be prevented somehow in the show.

The idea is attached to some very real and exciting science so I don't find it boring at all.

And a time machine is the hard working theory?

I don't think there are multiple Smokies, and I doubt the island switch Hurley's ticket with a person from another timeline, that's a lazy way to use the plot to explain the theme. Move the island to another timeline? Now you are just being lazy and not reading the theory fully. the island is not in a timeline, it's the hub and the spokes are timelines.

I don't see multiple timelines as a lazy explanation, in fact, it's a great way to expand all possibliites.

<quote>Some stuff will never make sense, but there it is. Deal with it. That's why it's a mysterious island. </quote>

So we've had two ARG's, mobisodes, videos released at conferences, countless websites, fake airline commercials on a a big three network... and i'm supposed to just deal with the fact that things won't be explained.... I'm not that lazy.

I'm saying that to bring multiple timelines into the story is a cop-out. It's a theory that can be easily abused. The writers would be "lazy" if they did that. Those who subscribe to the multiple timeline theory are certainly not lazy--they put a lot of energy into these posts. I certainly didn't mean to disparage anyone.

And my examples were intended to be facetious. Like:

Why are there so many people who subscribe to the multiple timeline theory? Because all of their timelines converged on this forum. Like a wagon wheel, and the spokes, you know, are all attached to this hub...and the island is the hub, and the wagon wheel is attached to a wagon, and when the cows, or donkeys, or Kate's pony pull the wagon, the wheel will turn and, hey, the island moves. Makes sense. Or maybe the island won't move at all because the donkey wheel is frozen.

But, yeah, I don't understand the theory.

The damn frozen donkey wheel.. I wish to god Darlton didn't use a joke from a writers meeting.

Anyway, I know you weren't dissing us Marv... and I know that the multiple timeline theory is for some, hard to swallow and for others, corny. The Dark Tower by Stephen king is one of my favorite things in life, and it has multiple timelines as a major theme, and it pulled it off nicely, and honestly, believable. i see many correlations between the show and the books by King, and when I started plugging in the idea to the equations in Lost, it made a lot of things fit, and it bought up more questions in my mind, which I LOVE a lot more than the answer. When you stop questioning, you stop living!!!

The theory is hard to understand, but it begins with a leap of faith.....

I'm just glad that dam TimeLoopTheory was finally debunked in Cabin Fever.

Yeah... not a fan of the timeloop theory... Timelines however... I don't see why this is is so hard to swollow.

Read this article.

Lost Science Debunked – Behind the Scenes – Smoke Monster, Large Hadron Collider, Time Travel, Sat Phone - Popular Mechanics

This is the kind of science we're going to see on the show. Multiple timelines are not that unlikely.