On multiple timelines - Page 2

CPP your multible time line theory had me thinking all day,just wondering what you thought is at the Orchid... Do you thing Ben has just perfected a way to travel through them?????

Honestly, I don't know! It's such an intriguing question! I'm guessing it's a time travel device, maybe an original feature of the island from a time before the Hostiles. Then the DHARMA Inititative took over and built the Orchid above. There is a Cold War era DHARMA Initiative video explaining that it was important to keep island secrets safe from spy planes above.

I think there is a connection between the Orchid, the Temple, the 3-Toed Foot Statue, and Ben's inner sanctuary (room with the stone door and pictographs inside the first secret room). I think they were all built by the earliest inhabitants of the island--privy to all of the island's secrets; but whether the original inhabitants were from the Black Rock or whether they are the same as the Hostiles, or some other group entirely, I don't know.

It kills me that the writers/producers took oooooooone last chance to keep us waiting, instead of just having the last (double) episode be next week. I'm at the edge of my seat!

What do you think, DaveOz?

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Originally Posted by daveoz

CPP your multible time line theory had me thinking all day,just wondering what you thought is at the Orchid... Do you thing Ben has just perfected a way to travel through them?????

A W S O M E ! ! ! ! thats why i love this site,you think you have a really solid grip on things and you read some other posts and its all over..Damn back to the drawing board!!

I want a list....

Hey guys... thought i'd chime in since Potpie was kind enough to mention me here, and I'd like to add some things i've noticed/summised since I first wrote ideas about this subject.

What if the list was EVERYONE who survived the crash, who then would be inverstigated throughout time by the Others who can leave the island ( words form Toms mouth in Meet Keving Johnson) We see Richard looking Locke up, and testing him, but not really, truly,, interfering with Lockes life. Maybe the Others are looking for those who were born prematurly, perhaps that's a sign that you are special... Not sure about this, but there must be some correlation to the mid - late term deaths on island, and two special people (Ben and Locke) born suddently (well, one was a crash.. right?), off island. Must be...

Des...
I said in a post a while back, very beginning of this season, that Des had to die... Boy was I wrong, but I did at the time mean that something needed to happen to him, and the Constant was it. It continued the theme of "Flashes Before your Eyes", which my belief is that these shows are the cornerstone of the PHYSICAL makeup of the show, meaning the real effect of the island, and it's meaning. The island is a naturally occurring implied result, of the Philadelphia experiment. I can't explain them, but it is explained in books like A Brief History of Time, and Superstring theory by Greene... physics yes, but also popular books, ones that made it to mainstream, which I think is important to know if you understand that a writer is just like you and I, interested in a lot of things, but an expert in only one arena. Plus, i believe Des is dead wrong, he will go back to the island, I think he, and some others, are magnetically linked to the island.

heading 305...
Notice how this set of numbers is not OUR numbers, but mentioned as much? That's the special number, or door.. It's the number of the entrance to the island that flight 815 came from, and the number you better send the losties back through if you want them to be semi sane. That entrance was found because the anamoly (arctic guys) coincided with a plane gone missing, so Widmore had to investigate. Here is where the numbers get staggering though. Did Widmore set Desmond up to be the guy NOT to enter the numbers to land people on the island to disrupt ben's plans with what Ben thinks is a gift come from heaven in the form of new people to con and observe?

3 Time Crash...
I want to clarify that I don't think the three parts of the plane we see are from different planes, what I meant more specifically was, and the Constant helps this, is that the 'special people' on the 'list', even from different timelines appeared on the same plane when it starts to rip apart. These people are drawn to the island for some reason... my guess is the premature birth. Hmmm, not a good clarifcation, but it's hard to express this, but let's just say it incorporates all possible timelines, and a percentage of the timelines, I say three, all had flight 815 going off course to the 305 entrance at the same time. Charlie, lets say, is now a combo of all three.. perhasp a rocker in all, but only 1 or 2 with drug habit, which is why his withdrawl wan't THAt terrible.. most need medical help to come down cold turkey..

Anway, love the discussion, hope someone can add some ideas.

Quite impressive!!!

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CABLERUNNER:
What if the list was EVERYONE who survived the crash, who then would be inverstigated throughout time by the Others who can leave the island

POTPIES:
We learn from Tom that Jack wasn't on Jacob's list. What does this mean for his survival of the crash, in your theory?

CABLERUNNER:
Maybe the Others are looking for those who were born prematurly, perhaps that's a sign that you are special...

POTPIES:
'm not sure why Ben's birth keeps being described as premature. Foolishly unexpected maybe, but not premature. Emily Linus was at the end of her pregnancy. She was huge! It was just stupidity to go hiking (or destiny--ha ha!) that late in a pregnancy since physical activity could spur on contractions...and did. So my question is, if one characteristic of the Lama-analog on the show is that he was born prematurely, the fact that Ben wasn't really born prematurely is a good indication that he was a poor stand-in for the real thing, Locke. He seems to almost meet the criteria in many areas, and he wants it more than anyone, but he just doesn't quite measure up.

CABLERUNNER:
Not sure about this, but there must be some correlation to the mid - late term deaths on island, and two special people (Ben and Locke) born suddently (well, one was a crash.. right?), off island. Must be...

POTPIES:
By "mid - late term deaths on the island" do you mean the deaths of pregnant women on the island?

Yes, death to the pregnant women on the island.

And about the list, I believe that Jacob's list may not actually bbejacob's list, but modified by Ben before the other's see it. Perhaps Ben wants some people for his own purposes, like Sayid, and Jack at the time (tumor) so I'm not sure if I would totally trust the list.

Fair enough about Ben.. maybe that should point to him not being special, just smart and coercive. He did say that John was not like him, but in which way well, no one can really guess what Ben means all the time! Good points Potpie..

So you think the island gave Ben his tumor to let him know that he's doing wrong? or something along those lines..

Not sure about that, Ben does do a lot of off-island travel...hmm, Michael was protected when he was off, so yeah, I guess that has to be the case, Ben was punished.

I'm really enjoying what CPP and yourself have been telling me!!! I like the punishment given out from the island for abusing the time machine or what ever it is.I wonder does Ben have another form of machine or is it a tunnel to laed to other parts of the island?