Richard is Locke's grandfather?

Ok, think back to the expression on Emily Annabeth's mother's face in the hospital when she saw Richard peeking at Baby Locke through the inside hospital window? It wasn't an angry or indignant look like "There's the grown man jerk who knocked up my teenage daughter!" She was genuinely spooked when she saw him, like she was seeing a ghost. Hear me out.

I think Emily Annabeth's mother (Locke's grandmother) knew Richard when she was young and never expected to see him again. She certainly never expected to see him totally unaged since her youth. That was part of her spooked expression. I think she had a fling with him when she herself was younger and Emily Annabeth was the result of that fling. We know that Richard seemingly doesn't age and that he has been following Locke very closely from the beginning. Perhaps he was following Locke's family decades before Locke was even conceived?

To take it a bit further, perhaps he then seduced Emily Annabeth to create Locke, becoming Locke's father and grandfather at the same time? He might do this so that Locke's future connection to the island would be superstrong when the island needed Locke the most. Sounds freaky, but if Richard is not human, as many have theorized, then human rules of morality wouldn't apply to him. And if Richard is a god, then that adds to the whole Greek/Roman mythology aspect of the story.

Anyway, maybe I'm crazy, but I am more convinced that Richard is Locke's grandfather than that he is Locke's father. For one thing, all we know is that Emily Annabeth's mother said the father was twice Emily's age. We don't know if Emily's mother ever met Locke's father. And we don't know that Emily was sleeping with only one man at that time in her life. She was pretty reckless and later on was committed to Santa Rosa. A lot of mental illnesses can lead to promiscuity. The whole "he's twice your age!" comment could be a total red herring from the producers to whang us with later on.

Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by chickenpotpiesarehot

Ok, think back to the expression on Emily Annabeth's mother's face in the hospital when she saw Richard peeking at Baby Locke through the inside hospital window? It wasn't an angry or indignant look like "There's the grown man jerk who knocked up my teenage daughter!" She was genuinely spooked when she saw him, like she was seeing a ghost. Hear me out.

I think Emily Annabeth's mother (Locke's grandmother) knew Richard when she was young and never expected to see him again. She certainly never expected to see him totally unaged since her youth. That was part of her spooked expression. I think she had a fling with him when she herself was younger and Emily Annabeth was the result of that fling. We know that Richard seemingly doesn't age and that he has been following Locke very closely from the beginning. Perhaps he was following Locke's family decades before Locke was even conceived?

To take it a bit further, perhaps he then seduced Emily Annabeth to create Locke, becoming Locke's father and grandfather at the same time? He might do this so that Locke's future connection to the island would be superstrong when the island needed Locke the most. Sounds freaky, but if Richard is not human, as many have theorized, then human rules of morality wouldn't apply to him. And if Richard is a god, then that adds to the whole Greek/Roman mythology aspect of the story.

Anyway, maybe I'm crazy, but I am more convinced that Richard is Locke's grandfather than that he is Locke's father. For one thing, all we know is that Emily Annabeth's mother said the father was twice Emily's age. We don't know if Emily's mother ever met Locke's father. And we don't know that Emily was sleeping with only one man at that time in her life. She was pretty reckless and later on was committed to Santa Rosa. A lot of mental illnesses can lead to promiscuity. The whole "he's twice your age!" comment could be a total red herring from the producers to whang us with later on.

Thoughts?

Yes I was thinking father but of course we know how old Richard *really* is. That would explain why the man from tallahasee the real Sawyer is so linked to the island.

But it's looking more and more like the Others stacked Oceanic flight 815 full of their wish list of people and it landed. That would be a fantastic Richard behind Ben's back trick.

My only thought to that is this....In the others flashback when Ben saw the plane crashing he sent out Ethan to get a list of everyone there. Then he had Mikhal work for the histories of the people. So I do not believe that the Others "loaded" the plane. Someone obviously did, but I think that Ben just used what the island, or Whidmore, brought him.

richard is human because ben asked him if he remembered birthdays. if he wasn't human he wouldn't even know what ben was talking about.

i don't like the idea of richard being locke's father and grandfather at the same time. that's incestuous and i don't the shows creators would be part of a storyline like that.

i don't think richard is related to locke at all, personally.

Being purely scientific here, being someone's father and grandfather really messes the kid up. I'm not sure that Richard would go to those lengths for Locke. He risks the child having serious physical problems. I do like the idea that they are related. Maybe just the grandfather though. We have met Locke's father after all.

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Being purely scientific here, being someone's father and grandfather really messes the kid up....

Yeah, but it's a show. It can get away with all kinds of things that wouldn't work in real life, like the smoke monster or magical magnetic anomalies, or utopian social experiments to stop the end of the world.

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richard is human because ben asked him if he remembered birthdays. if he wasn't human he wouldn't even know what ben was talking about.

i don't like the idea of richard being locke's father and grandfather at the same time. that's incestuous and i don't the shows creators would be part of a storyline like that.

i don't think richard is related to locke at all, personally.

My take on this is that Richard, at one time, was mortal and had birthdays - perhaps before he came to the island? But somehow (!) he's become immortal in the same way Michael is now and therefore doesn't seem to have anymore birthdays. So when Ben asked him if he remembered birthdays, that said to me that they were a part of his past but aren't anymore. We have lots of instances of people being able to do extraordinary things after being on the island: physical healing (Locke, Rose), time/space travelling (Desmond, Ben, Walt, Richard, Tom, Harper, Locke's father), being un-killable (Michael, Richard?), becoming fertile (Jin), psychic visions (Desmond), great spiritual healing (Eko), even returning from the dead (Christian, Ben's Mom, Horace), etc.

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....being un-killable (Michael, Richard?)....

Mikhail too!

And me too!

Did he finally die in "Thru the Looking Glass" when he flooded the room Charlie was in with that grenade? (I do not want to see that creepy hamberger face again - especially now being all "grenaded"!)

He does say to Ben after the super sonic fence scene that it wasn't set to lethal, right?