Richard is Locke's grandfather? - Page 3

I think there has to be something.

As for the missing bump... not sure... I had some ideas but unfortunately, work calls..

I don't know about the whole Richard is Lockes father grandfather whatever but as far as why Emily didn't look pregnant could have been back then didn't single young woman hide their pregnancy's? At least to some extent. Maybe that is why she didn't "look" pregnant..

Yeah, but you didn't do that by wearing little dresses with tight belts. Idk - I've never been in the situation.

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Yeah, but you didn't do that by wearing little dresses with tight belts. Idk - I've never been in the situation.

Could be done wearing a girdle

poor baby!

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poor baby!

Exactly.. Could also be a part of the reason Baby Locke had so much illness and infections the nurse was talking about on top of being born prematurly.. Really seems like Locke being born and fairly healthy was "special"

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Originally Posted by jswindle

I think that was a lie by Mikhail about the fence.

Anyway, getting back to the main topic: I don't think Richard is of any relation to Locke. I'm not sure why everyone thinks there needs to be a lineage involved with these "chosen ones," anyway. Ben is certainly not related to anyone, and he was at one point the "chosen one." Richard has been trying to recruit Locke because the island has told him to. That's always been Richard's role. Richard is not a "chosen one," per se, but he does have a special relationship with the island as a recruiter. I do remember a Darlton podcast that mentioned Richard is the sanity check to the "chosen one." When the "chosen one's" path gets strayed or he/she becomes selfish and self-serving, Richard has the power to recruit another in his/her stead.

There is one or two ways to look at this from Richard's perspective. 1) He's ageless because of his communion with the island, and has been alive for some time (major theories point to him being on the Black Rock). If this is so, then the island knew about Locke since his birth, and it's been Richard's task to recruit him to the island throughout his life. Fate finally took over (or perhaps Abaddon) and got Locke to the island, anyway. 2) Richard can time travel. If this theory holds true, then Richard is merely doing his homework on Locke after he met him on the island to make sure he is a good candidate for being the next chosen one. Perhaps he doubts the island's way and is cross-checking with his own tests? Interesting, eh?

My theory on Locke is that he has no dad. If anyone remembers from an episode a while back, when we first see Locke's mom, she tells him he was "immaculately conceived." I think everyone blew her off as being crazy, but what if that claim actually holds some water? Until a DNA or blood test is conducted, there are very few people that can be absolutely sure who the father is of a given baby, especially considering the era and age that Locke's mom was in at the time of her pregnancy. Perhaps a certain Abaddon or Alpert approached her later on in her life to tell her of such news about Locke's special abilities and even special birth circumstances.

If this is true then what role did the island have in dealing with Cooper/Sawyer?

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I honestly think it wasn't anything magical about bringing Cooper to the island (apropos the "magic box"). I think he was simply kidnapped by Ben's goons, possibly even Richard when he was there to film Juliet's sister and her son in the park in Florida (about the same time), which is why they referred to Cooper as the "Man from Tallahassee." Cooper remembers being hit from behind in a car, then a couple of men smiling as they were injecting him with something. He honestly thought he was dead, and the island was Hell. I think he was purposedly hit from behind by the Others and then drugged in a fake ambulance scene. This seems more plausible than magical manifestations...at least more constructed. Granted, there is something magical happening on the island, but Cooper wasn't involved in any of that.

The string of coincidences that link Sawyer to Locke through Cooper is an unrelated theme of the show. However, I'm sure the Others (i.e. Ben and Richard) were able to exploit these coincidences by capturing a common enemy of both Locke and Sawyer.

We don't know who the "original inhabitants" are, if they are the same as the "Hostiles," or when these people first arrived, but we do know that the DHARMA Initiative were far from the first inhabitants of the island. That much is certain. I have speculated that Richard is Locke's grandfather rather than (or even possibly in addition to) his father, which still might be possible.

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Other timelines?

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one timeline in the Lost universe. When we see the different iterative differences when Desmond keeps going back in time on his loop between his relationship with Penny and on the island, the differences in each of those timelines are miniscule. The point is: the "course correcting" attributes of fate make all permutations of one's history obsolete because all people, in fact, keep the same major events in their lives, no matter what the circumstances (the whole point of Desmond's interactions with Mrs. Hawking). Therefore, if Locke is immaculately conceived in one scenario of the timeline, then he will be in all sequences.

Furthermore, I don't remember seeing Locke's mom on the island at all. One cannot argue that she was living on the island with the Dharma Initiative because the D.I. started after Locke's birth (Locke was born in 1956, Dharma Initiative started after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962). I think there has to be at least one person physically present somewhere to conceive a baby (even if we're talking immaculate conception). That puts the probability of Locke's mom being anywhere near the island at pretty, pretty, low.

Do you really think, though, that they, the "Hostiles," had paved roads, cars, hospitals, ambulances, and a suburban lifestyle before the Dharma Iniitiative arrived?

Look, I get that everyone is wanting to find the Darth Vader/Luke Skywalker parallel in this show somewhere because of all the previous allusions to the movie series, but I think we're barking up the wrong tree with this Richard-being-Locke's-dad scenario. A better candidate for that would be Widmore...maybe Jacob, I dunno. How does this help the story if Locke is found to be the son of Richard, anyway? It's not like they have this horrible conflict with one another (a la Star Wars), or that there needs to be a bloodline connection to rule the island (see Ben).

Locke will rule the island soon (if not already so in a de facto sort of way), and it will not be because of his lineage. It will be because he is the one person that allows himself to be a complete conduit of the island. Ben has been, for a while now, too self-serving and egocentric to pull off the leader's role.

In other words, Locke doesn't need Richard to be his dad. It's extraneous to the story arc. We'll gain very little by finding out--hypothetically--that Richard is his dad.