Richard is Locke's grandfather? - Page 2

Not sure about Mikhail... he did say the fence wasn't set to a lethal level but I don't know what the point would be to having different power levels to the fence. Although it could be that the fence isn't designed to keep humans from passing through. Maybe that's just a bonus. It seems much more effective at stopping the smoke monster.

I think that was a lie by Mikhail about the fence.

Anyway, getting back to the main topic: I don't think Richard is of any relation to Locke. I'm not sure why everyone thinks there needs to be a lineage involved with these "chosen ones," anyway. Ben is certainly not related to anyone, and he was at one point the "chosen one." Richard has been trying to recruit Locke because the island has told him to. That's always been Richard's role. Richard is not a "chosen one," per se, but he does have a special relationship with the island as a recruiter. I do remember a Darlton podcast that mentioned Richard is the sanity check to the "chosen one." When the "chosen one's" path gets strayed or he/she becomes selfish and self-serving, Richard has the power to recruit another in his/her stead.

There is one or two ways to look at this from Richard's perspective. 1) He's ageless because of his communion with the island, and has been alive for some time (major theories point to him being on the Black Rock). If this is so, then the island knew about Locke since his birth, and it's been Richard's task to recruit him to the island throughout his life. Fate finally took over (or perhaps Abaddon) and got Locke to the island, anyway. 2) Richard can time travel. If this theory holds true, then Richard is merely doing his homework on Locke after he met him on the island to make sure he is a good candidate for being the next chosen one. Perhaps he doubts the island's way and is cross-checking with his own tests? Interesting, eh?

My theory on Locke is that he has no dad. If anyone remembers from an episode a while back, when we first see Locke's mom, she tells him he was "immaculately conceived." I think everyone blew her off as being crazy, but what if that claim actually holds some water? Until a DNA or blood test is conducted, there are very few people that can be absolutely sure who the father is of a given baby, especially considering the era and age that Locke's mom was in at the time of her pregnancy. Perhaps a certain Abaddon or Alpert approached her later on in her life to tell her of such news about Locke's special abilities and even special birth circumstances.

I agree... Locke has no dad... sort of. I still think Locke was conceived on the island which caused his conception in other timelines...

Pregnancy Problems...

Thank you! I don't know why there has to be this lineage either. If there was, then it wouldn't be a surprise as to who the chosen ones were/are. And to the best of our knowledge Ben and Locke aren't related... it all seems a little far fetched to me that there's a blood line.

Other timelines?

As far as I'm concerned, there is only one timeline in the Lost universe. When we see the different iterative differences when Desmond keeps going back in time on his loop between his relationship with Penny and on the island, the differences in each of those timelines are miniscule. The point is: the "course correcting" attributes of fate make all permutations of one's history obsolete because all people, in fact, keep the same major events in their lives, no matter what the circumstances (the whole point of Desmond's interactions with Mrs. Hawking). Therefore, if Locke is immaculately conceived in one scenario of the timeline, then he will be in all sequences.

Furthermore, I don't remember seeing Locke's mom on the island at all. One cannot argue that she was living on the island with the Dharma Initiative because the D.I. started after Locke's birth (Locke was born in 1956, Dharma Initiative started after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962). I think there has to be at least one person physically present somewhere to conceive a baby (even if we're talking immaculate conception). That puts the probability of Locke's mom being anywhere near the island at pretty, pretty, low.

On second thought I think Mikhail might actually be dead... if he can't die I think it's more likely that the grenade wouldn't have gone off. Just like when Micheal tries to kill himself or when Keamy tries to kill him and the gun won't fire... sad...

Well yes, the likely hood of HER being on the island are pretty low. They're low, in fact, for anyone to be on the island. But the fact of the matter is that there ARE people on the island BEFORE the DI arrives (Hostiles). I'm going to go ahead and maintain the timelines thing. The Mrs. Locke from some timeline is on the island. And yes, this would mean that Locke was immaculately conceived in all timelines.

I'm still trying to understand the whole multiple timelines theories... but I do know that they showed us a close-up of a VERY TINY TUMMY of Locke's mom dancing around in her room within hours of his birth. This seemed to be a pretty big "oops" by the show if it wasn't for a reason. (Although Sun never really seems to look pregnant either. Usually tiny women have a hard time hiding even a pregnancy at three months.) It's a pretty well known and accepted truth that women's middles get big during pregnancy!

So maybe, whether Richard or "Mr. Sawyer" or the island or GOD is Locke's father - I'm wondering how the girl spinning in that room was his mother! Anyone know if this was just a blooper/inconsistency?

So you're saying that in one timeline scenario, Locke's mom is a hostile? Why? Why is that relevant to Locke being who he is? Can't someone be special, be chosen, without being borned or having lived on the island at a young age?

It seems inscrutable that there is a need to connect Locke physically with the island pre-crash.

You're right, Katherine. I think she was a bit thin for being in her third trimester. I think that was most likely a misleading set-up by the producers for the audience to be more shocked when we find out that she is Locke's mom and she is, in fact, pregnant with him...right now!

Sun looks really pregnant in flash-forwards, so I think they stay consistent with her on what her size should be for a woman as pregnant as she is. I know it seems like she's been pregnant forever (we first find out in season 2), but it's only been around 100 days up to this point in Lost time, which puts her anywhere from 10-14 weeks into her pregnancy.