Libby's Little Secret - Page 2

I still think it is possible that Danielle is Annie.. There is very little that we know about her that are hard facts..

I think it is also possible that Montand and Candle are the same person which would give us a link to Dharma..

Hopefully we find out more this season but I don't think we can rule out anything at this point..

Ben wasn't the ONLY survivor of the gas attack on Dharma, right? He had a small group of defectors with him, otherwise how could he have gassed everyone when he was off on a remote hill drinking brewskies with daddy?

Does anyone out there have definitive proof of the other original Others? Maybe the woman they call "the Sheriff" and/or Tom Friendly were other founding Others? And what about Richard?--Was he originally a Dharma member or was he always something else...on the outskirts of the Dharma settlement.

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Originally Posted by lockedown

Dharma is like a cosmic collection of Masons or the Illuminati... lol.

The committed Dharma folks have a cohesiveness of spirit and purpose (if you exclude Roger the Workman and his son). They believe in what they are doing.
Maybe there is a reward of some sort... but I doubt it would be like a financial reward. Dharma members reward would be that of retaking the island and continuing their work that they strongly believe in.

Can someone please tell me which of the Candle/Wickman/Halowax videos is the one where it's very clear he has a fake arm? Because feel like I've looked and looked and it's never been standout obvious to me. I'm sure it's true, I've just never spotted it. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Wednighter

I still think it is possible that Danielle is Annie.. There is very little that we know about her that are hard facts..

I think it is also possible that Montand and Candle are the same person which would give us a link to Dharma..

Hopefully we find out more this season but I don't think we can rule out anything at this point..

Correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't play the Lost Experience, but according to that game weren't the Dharma people doing all the experiments in an effort to change one of the numbers, since the numbers, as they stood, were part of an equation proving the end of mankind on earth? The reward for committed Dharma members would be saving mankind, right?

I really don't understand how much the events and info in the Lost Experience pertain to events and info on the TV show. Maybe we're meant to think of it as a total tangent? Though, if so, there has been no other explanation for the numbers since the Lost Experience.

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Originally Posted by lockedown

Dharma is like a cosmic collection of Masons or the Illuminati... lol.

The committed Dharma folks have a cohesiveness of spirit and purpose (if you exclude Roger the Workman and his son). They believe in what they are doing.
Maybe there is a reward of some sort... but I doubt it would be like a financial reward. Dharma members reward would be that of retaking the island and continuing their work that they strongly believe in.

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Nobody but Bens dad got gassed. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Ben was the ONLY one who they took. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Danielle isn't Annie. Watch the commentary's my friend.

They said Annie is a HUGE character. Unlike Danielle. Also she'd have to dye her hair, go crazy, get plastic surgery, learn tons of new languages, Go back in time and change her parents to French people.

Plus it would be some crazy plastic surgery. It just isn't possible. thats like saying that Ben as a kid was really Tom Friendly as a kid.

not even to mention that she'd have to have a constant supply of black hair dye to cover up that blonde hair.
I doubt crazy Danielle, living alone in the jungle all those years, would go to the trouble of constantly dyeing her hair black (and gray).

And I agree, if Annie is not Libby, then Annie will pop up sooner or later.

But, write it down that you heard it from me first, Libby is/was Annie.

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Originally Posted by Pipinowns

Nobody but Bens dad got gassed. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Ben was the ONLY one who they took. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Danielle isn't Annie. Watch the commentary's my friend.

They said Annie is a HUGE character. Unlike Danielle. Also she'd have to dye her hair, go crazy, get plastic surgery, learn tons of new languages, Go back in time and change her parents to French people.

Plus it would be some crazy plastic surgery. It just isn't possible. thats like saying that Ben as a kid was really Tom Friendly as a kid.

I don't know anything about the commentary you mention, but there were dead bodies strewn all over the place in Dharma Village once Ben got back from gassing his father up on the hill. Maybe you missed that episode, but all those dead bodies ended up in a pit where they rotted in a mass gave exposed to the air.

Did you think those dead bodies all over Dharma Village were just sleeping and that they were then killed some other way once they woke up? Or maybe that they were never killed at all and the bodies in the pit are somehow totally unrelated to Dharma even though Ben tells Locke that's who they are? Maybe you think they all died of old age...at the same time...even though they weren't all eldlerly.

If nobody else but Ben's dad got gassed, how do you explain the bodies all over the place in Dharma Village. Further, how do you explain the fact that the only survivors (including Ben himself) were standing around still wearing gas masks? Ben's group murdered Dharma people with poisonous gas just like Ben murdered his father with poisonous gas. What other conclusion could there be?

What do you mean "Ben was the only one they took"? Who is "they"? What do you mean they took Ben? Ben was the leader of the slaughter of Dharma. He wasn't taken anywhere, he's the leader not a hostage...at least until he was locked up in the Swan, but that's another story entirely. You make it sound like he was unaware of what was going on, some innocent bystander. He put a gas mask on his own face, open the can (of wupass!--sorry, couldn't resist!), watched his father writhe in pain, then went back to the village to huck the rest of the dead bodies into the pit.

About Danielle & Annie: a lot of TV shows have used child actors that don't look like the adult actors playing the same characters later in life. You could list a bunch of shows that do and so could I, but they don't all. I think that's kind of new in TV. Also, a lot of children start out blonde and go naturally go darker as they age. I was platinum blonde until about 7 and was a more usual shade of blonde naturally until about 15 or 16. Now, I'm a full brunette close to as dark as Danielle and I don't dye my hair. Nobody needs to dye their hair gray. That just happens with age.

I'm not saying Danielle and Annie are the same person; I'm not saying they're not the same person. I just think it's a really intriguing idea that expands my mind a bit and maybe makes me more open to other creative hypotheses about Lost.

I'm not pissed off here, I'm just totally baffled by some of the conclusions you come to. And I've got to say the "my friend" that you throw out there comes off as snotty and patronizing and full of attitude. Is that how you intended it? Sometimes there are misunderstandings in written correspondence when you can't "read" the other person's face.

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Originally Posted by Pipinowns

Nobody but Bens dad got gassed. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Ben was the ONLY one who they took. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Danielle isn't Annie. Watch the commentary's my friend.

They said Annie is a HUGE character. Unlike Danielle. Also she'd have to dye her hair, go crazy, get plastic surgery, learn tons of new languages, Go back in time and change her parents to French people.

Plus it would be some crazy plastic surgery. It just isn't possible. thats like saying that Ben as a kid was really Tom Friendly as a kid.

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Originally Posted by Pipinowns

Nobody but Bens dad got gassed. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Ben was the ONLY one who they took. Watch the commentary's my friend.

Pip are you saying that there is commentary on the Ben flashback episode from LOST season 3 DVD's...

If so I will check that out before I go and say anything else to get an idea of what you already know

My understanding of the death of dharma was, as hotpies alluded to, that Ben was recruited by the hostiles and they waited for the opportune moment to plot this attack in which all of dharma was gassed and killed.

My feeling is that Ben (maybe guided by the blackhaired guy richard alpert) took over as leaders of the hostiles. Richard Alpert, though, seems to have never aged during those years.

I don't think there is any chance Danielle is Annie. But, in this show, you never know. I certainly wouldn't demand someone is as crazy as Danielle for believing she is Annie...... maybe crazy like Anna Lucia, but not crazy like Danielle.

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Originally Posted by Chickenpotpiesarehot

If nobody else but Ben's dad got gassed, how do you explain the bodies all over the place in Dharma Village. Further, how do you explain the fact that the only survivors (including Ben himself) were standing around still wearing gas masks? Ben's group murdered Dharma people with poisonous gas just like Ben murdered his father with poisonous gas. What other conclusion could there be?

What do you mean "Ben was the only one they took"? Who is "they"? What do you mean they took Ben? Ben was the leader of the slaughter of Dharma. He wasn't taken anywhere, he's the leader not a hostage...at least until he was locked up in the Swan, but that's another story entirely. You make it sound like he was unaware of what was going on, some innocent bystander. He put a gas mask on his own face, open the can (of wupass!--sorry, couldn't resist!), watched his father writhe in pain, then went back to the village to huck the rest of the dead bodies into the pit.

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Originally Posted by Lockdown

My understanding of the death of dharma was, as hotpies alluded to, that Ben was recruited by the hostiles and they waited for the opportune moment to plot this attack in which all of dharma was gassed and killed.

I also believe that most if not all of the Dharma people were killed by some sort of gas when Richard and Ben attacked them after/durning when he killed his father.. I do think it is POSSIBLE that they did recruit some of the DI before they killed the rest though.. SO they may not have killed them ALLL

Although (don't you all love it when I argue with myself) Remember when the Others were moving out of the Barricks and gassed Kate, Sayid and Jack while they made their get away.. Who is to say that isn't the same gas they used back then.. Kept most of the DI alive after they were captured and then didn't kill who would not follow them...

Oh Well I guess my point is that I agreed with the two above.. LOL