A Brief History of the Crimson King - Page 2

Sayid... doesn't speak up, never tells anyone in the US Army he speaks English?
Hurley... doesn't use the numbers, or evn further back, we have to see the episode with Cheech Marin I guess.

This could go on and on.

cablerunner, ur theory is very interesting, and really does have some similiraties to my ideas! in fact, u got me thinking even more.. perhaps the only 'way' to actually go back in time, is put an end to ur life ON the island..
i believe desmond died when he turned that key. his body was obliderated, and so, found himself back in the past during a crucial period in his life which set his course to the island. a period where he has the opportunity to change and so prevent himself from ever getting to the island. and like u said, he failed miserably at that..
that would also explain why bodies have been dissapearing on the island as well.. jack's father's body, Yemi's body.. they all probably got back to the outside world and got a second chance to fix their mistakes and alter their future.. this is why i assume that boone, shannon, libby andana lucia's bodies have dissapeared as well, the losties are jsut not aware of that..
so pretty much the way i see it, once u die on the island, u either 'find' urself in the past and fix the mistakes that got you 'lost' in ur life, or u fail, and find urself on that island once again, renewed.
maybe thats why Eko said "you're next" right before he died.. maybe that short clip showing him and his brother walkin together as little children once again, right before he passed away, was more than just a memory....

Now that we have two great theorys together... Now we can begin putting everything together!!!!

Well so would it work out that the island is a parelle deminsion?

If you die there you get to go back and fix your life... Well then if CBK has been on the island all his life, like he said.. (yes, I know we can't trust the man) but lets just say he is telling the truth for arguement sake... Then if he died on the island where would he go or what would happen to him?

What would happen if there was nothing you wanted to go back and change.. Would you stay on the island forever? Rose & Benard seem pretty happy to be on the island. Same with Locke, he has said he doesn't want to be rescued. The island is healing him...or healed

How would it work if Jack's dad did get to go back and change the things he has done wrong.. Which would be a lot from my guess.. Then wouldn't that effect Jack & he wouldn't have been on the plane in the first place..

Could other people on the island effect another, like what if when Desmond said something to Charlie, like don't take flight 815 then he would be going back and messing with other peoples lives? Charlie could still be a herione addict just on a different flight..

Thats what I am trying to figure out, who choose who was on the flight? And How they worked it out for all of them to be on the same flight. With this theory it would almost seem like they were hand choosen... Or all put on this flight for a reason... Fate VS Science

Sorry for the scattered ideas just trying to get ask the right questions so we can figure this out =)

BTW--- Thanks fellOw lOstie & Cablerunner for coming up with this theory!

You're welcome wednighter, and thanks for keeping it relevant, along with the new Fellow!
I think Fellow is right though, the othrs don't care who is on the plane, just that it's filled with healthy people, i do believe they have struck it rich though, with TWO pregnant women. Hell, i would love a chance to go back and do some things different in my life, if I followed my heart going to college, I may be a writer on Lost right now instead of computer programming(blech!).

I think we are seeing flashbacks just for the sake of our Losties alone, their choices and hardships, but they really have nothing to do at all with the island... does this make sense?

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How would it work if Jack's dad did get to go back and change the things he has done wrong.. Which would be a lot from my guess.. Then wouldn't that effect Jack & he wouldn't have been on the plane in the first place..

That's a good point, but in this theory Jack has yet to go back and make the decisions that would change his own life. Because he's still on the Island, and "god doesn't see them" he is not yet affected by whatever actions Christian might have taken. Like in Star Trek whenever someone changed time and their warp field kept the quantum matrix intact blah blah blah...

Well, Christian is on the island in some way or other, maybe he can change his own life, and when he does jack will disappear in mid senta..

about who is chosen to board that flight. this is a very tricky question.. because once again, u can take claire's example, which makes it seem taht she was indeed HAND-picked.. perhaps her boyfriend, after going back in time, had the knowledge of the date and time of the crashed flight from when he was on the island himself, and for some reason paid the psychic to convince claire to go on the flight, since he knew shes into the whole fortune-telling business... just a thought.. dont know the reason why though... (perhaps he was told by someone on the island to do so because of her pregnancy?)
in any case, it is obvious that some of the other losties on the plane didnt seem to be on that flight because they were actually told to by someone specific like claire.. so yes, that sort of contradicts the hand-picking idea... but like i said when i elaborated more on my theory in 'deja-vu'... wut all those people on that plane have in common, is that they are 'lost' to begin with.. lost in their ways, and lost in their lives, which ultimately led them to the island.. sort of like how locke said, that the island brought them there... tehy were lost, and the island 'found' them, took them in, and gave them a second chance.. and the bigger reason i believe in (again in deja-vu) is wut i said about the whole purpose of dharma to alter the fate of all of humanity, and that can only be done by changing the fates/paths of all of earth's population.. almost as if that flight is ment to exist as long as there are people who are still walking torwards their original paths which they were born with, the paths which ultimately lead to the the doomed fate of humanity as determined by the vallenstti equation. as long as there are 'LOST' people in the world, humanity is "LOST", and the only way to 'bend' the vallensetti equation, and save humanity, all of the earth's inhabitanats must be 'found' and 'mended' from their mistakes/sins (just like the brianwashing scene: "WE are the cause of our own suffering"). because each and every little decision made by any human on the planet, although it starts as a small ripple, end up being a massive influence on the world (butterfly effect).
so yeah... the way i see it, flight 815 will go on and on untill the world is mended, in which point the island wont seem to serve a purpose anymore..
of course the obvious contradictions are that many people got into the island via other ways: the black rock, boats, air balloons etc., so tahts also something to think about...
and about the questions of the others... i dont think this whole theory even applies to them... i think their purpose is somethin totally different, and maybe they are even taking part in this whole world mending scheme.. but i really dont know.. they just dont fit in the category of being 'lost', because obviously they choose to be there for wutever purpose (most of them anyways...)
so tell me wut u think of that, and of course keep brining the qestions and cotradictions, cause this theory is faaaaaaaaaar from being realistic..

no way fellow, it's not far from realistic, I bet it's about as damn close as one can get to a sane theory. Of course, this is coming from a guy who believes the same way.
For your boat and air balloon... well, there have always been lost people, it doesn't matter how you get there.

I do believe that Dharma was on the right path with their experiments and such, it's just they were taking too long to try and beat the equation, somehow another big corporation took over to 'speed' things up, and MAY have had a hand in filling the plane with the right kind of people. I am contradicting earlier thouughts of mine by saying that the plane ws in the wrong p[lace at the wrong time, because I REALLY think the pilot they showed in the beginning of the series, on 'The Pilot' was not real. He was either dead and reanimated, or it was a smokey trick like Eko and Yemi.

Perhaps, and it's a big perhaps, that those still with Dharma needed help bringing down the ones who run the island, and had a plane filled with the right kind of people to bring those from [Mittelos] down, eventually, once they figured out what there task is...

Does this make sense?

To kick into your theory (which I think Cablerunner is very good) I read somewhere something from either the producers or writers where they said that (perhaps) time moves differently on the island.... which could be not at all, like in your theory. I think that maybe the people on the plane were significant, I think there is REALLY something to the fact that none of the Tailies survived - except Charlie (who was in the wrong place at the front of the plane) and Bernard (who wasn't supposed to be in the back of the plane at the time of the crash - he was in the bathroom, which is why Charlie ran to the front bathroom) I wonder if this is the reason Charlie is marked for death - because he wasn't supposed to survive.
So Lostie... when the Island finally doesn't serve a purpose anymore , is that what the Ring Lady was speaking about when she said all of us are dead (I wondered if the Ring Lady was the Island itself)? Cablerunner - I like your theory more and more... let me ask some questions - How is the point in your life where a choice was made that brings you to the Singular place (the island)determined, or do we not know that yet? Why is Eko's when he was a boy, but Des' is when he is grown (Is that was the flashbacks are leading us to? The point of choice?) I guess I'm asking what's the determining factor that makes one decision more crucial (THE decision that leads them down the path of the island) and other decisions in your life don't. (Again this reminds me of the Matrix when the Oracle is telling Neo about how he's already made the decision, the choice...)