Who are the bad guys again? - Page 3

OK, I read the transcript for the ep. TGrimace and it looks like Sayid killed three, Bernard killed two then Jin killed two more, which makes seven. Leaving the three others that captured Jin, Bernard, and Sayid.

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Originally Posted by darnzy

OK, I read the transcript for the ep. TGrimace and it looks like Sayid killed three, Bernard killed two then Jin killed two more, which makes seven. Leaving the three others that captured Jin, Bernard, and Sayid.

I found where I screwed up. In the initial attack, it happened just like you said. Sayid killed 3, Bernard 2, Jin 2. Leaving the 3. Then Hurley ran over 1 with the van, Sayid broke one of the guys neck with his cool "break dancing thing" (Gotta love Hurley) and Sawyer killed the last one, Tom. For some reason I was thinking Sawyer killed another one.

Good call Darnzy

Yeah, I never remember him saying euthanize, but I still think that even if it was supposed to take days to bleed out it could have gone quicker. Jack didn't have the equipment to see really how long he had to live, and he gave out sooner I guess.

The thing that has drawn me to LOST season to season is the way fans divide themselves in to camps. The Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Locke, Jack, separate camps for example. Evil or bad is in the eye of the beholder, and we take sides as we feel that certain decisions are justifiable.

So nearly all of the characters are all a little evil, imperfect.

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Originally Posted by JediToad

The thing that has drawn me to LOST season to season is the way fans divide themselves in to camps. The Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Locke, Jack, separate camps for example. Evil or bad is in the eye of the beholder, and we take sides as we feel that certain decisions are justifiable.

So nearly all of the characters are all a little evil, imperfect.

wise words Master Yoda

Although I must say such simple binarism on morals is a major turn off for me.

Hey, I'm a little rusty with my LOST talk. In it's been a year. Give me some time to get more detailed.

02:40 AM

It's too bad we don't know enough about the Dharma Initiative to know how many of them were gassed to death by the Others. And, of course, there's no picture of all of them, otherwise your two photos would be totally skewed the other way. Without considering the murder of that whole community, your info below is very misleading. Though I'm sure that wasn't your intention.

And I do--absolutely--agree that it is not so interesting when you divide up the characters as wholly good and wholly bad. Certainly they are all more complex than that, but still I think it's natural for the viewers to want to ally themselves with one side or the other. What makes it compelling is that audiences relate to the characters. Of course, you want to root for one side over another. Further, even amidst all the "gray" characters, I think it is still possible to have good guys and bad guys, especially when considering the need to see things from the perspective of a particular side.

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Originally Posted by TGrimace

More and more on Losttalk, I've been seeing people talking about how evil and bad the Others are. And Ben specifically. But the more I watch Lost, the more I feel like the Others aren't really the bad guys. I feel that there are no bad guys.

The others are doing their thing on the island (whatever that is) and suddenly 40+ people show up and start messing with them. All they really want is to be left alone to do their work. Unfortunately, that apparently means keeping the island hidden from the outside world, which makes it very complicated to deal with the losties. They even bring some of the losties into their fold. Granted, they do it with midnight raids and kidnappings, but once they have the people, they seem pretty happy to be there (Cindy, Emma, Zack).

The losties crash on the island and are scared and don't have a clue what's going on. They get attacked by polarbears and smoke monsters and such and it all just raises their fear level until everything they don't understand is a threat.

I figured I wanted to know just who did what to who on the island so far. I decided that killings would be a good place to start. I made a couple of images. One is the killings done by the Losties. The other is the killings done by the Others. There is no judgement in these images, just killings done on the island. Confirmed killings, killings WE saw, not speculations! And only ON the island. Some are obvious accidents (Nikki & Paulo) but they still count. Oh, and if the killing was a killing of a Lostie by a Lostie, or an Other by an Other, then there is a green glow around the dead.
I put Juliet on the Losties chart. She wasn't on the plane, but she's on their side now. I debated it for a while and finally just stuck her on the Losties pic.

Even I was kind of surprised with how unbalanced the images are.

There's the sound of a gunshot just before we see Jack walk out of the tent. To my mind it's pretty clear that it was a mercy killing and Jack was the shooter.

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Originally Posted by TGrimace

Here's the transcript from Lostpedia:
[They hear a gun shot. Kate walks away. Sawyer comes walking out with the gun.]
JACK: What did you do?
SAWYER: What you couldn't. Look, I get where you're coming from being a doctor and all, but he wanted it. Hell, he asked me. So, I don't like it any more than you do, but something had to be done.
[Sound of choking sounds come from the infirmary tent.]
HURLEY: Oh, no way. Guys?
[Jack and Sawyer go back in the tent. Jack tries to stop the bleeding.]
JACK: You shot him in the chest?
SAWYER: I was aiming for his heart.
JACK: You missed.
HURLEY [from the entrance of the tent]: Man, is he still breathing?
JACK: You perforated his lung. It'll take hours to bleed out.
SAWYER: So what is -- I only had one bullet.
JACK: Get out. Get out!
HURLEY [leaving]: Oh boy.
[Sawyer leaves feeling bad, and tries to light a smoke but the lighter doesn't light. He throws the cigarette away.]
SAWYER: Damn it!
[The Marshal's sounds of pain stop. Jack walks out of the tent.]
COMMERCIAL BREAK

You're right. It never says that Jack killed him. For some reason I seemed to remember him saying that. Hmmmm. It does say that it was supposed to take the marshal days to die, but Jack is in there alone with him for a short time and when he comes out, Mars is dead.
Not definitive enough for me. Lostpedia listed him as "euthanized by Jack" but I don't know if that's cannon or not. I'm sure I heard it somewhere. Maybe on the an official Lost podcast? Gah. I don't know.
Is there someplace I could look with an 'official' account?