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Michael Dawson
Michael Dawson is one of the middle section survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. He had parental issues with his son, Walt, but the two have bonded with their time on the island. Michael shot dead Ana-Lucia and Libby in order to release Ben from captivity; and ultimately caused the capture of Jack, Sawyer and Kate, when he made a deal with the Others. His whereabouts are currently unknown after he left the Island with his son Walt on a motor boat.
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April 4th, 2008, 04:54 PM
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I'm glad you said that because Jack didn't kill the Marshall. He was the only one trying to save him. Sawyer tried and eventually did kill the Marshall out of pity, and trying to give him a quicker death than he would have faced naturally. I think the Marshall should be on Sawyer's list. Jack didn't intentionally, mercifully, or accidently kill him. Even after Sawyer shot him Jack still tried to save him. Just to be fair...
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Actually, Sawyer tried to kill him by shooting him with the gun. But he missed and the shot didn't kill him. Jack then said he was going in there to euthanize him. It was a mercy killing, but Jack had to do it after Sawyer tried to kill Marshall but ended up just hurting him more.
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April 4th, 2008, 05:01 PM
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What about people killed off island like the man Sawyer shot in Australlia, and the guy Ana-lucia shot in the parking lot in L.A. Then Desmond killed Kelvin (a.k.a. Mr. Crab) accidentally. Rousseau killed all of her shipmates. Eko was a warlord, that probably killed a lot of people that we didn't see. Then there were those Eko killed on the show, one as a mere child and the rest after he took over his brother's position at the church. There's probably more I just can't think of at the moment.
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Crud. I forgot about Desmond killing Kelvin. That should be added.
Rousseau killing all of her shipmates isn't really something we saw. I'm not sure she really knows what happened to her, or that her story is correct. Hopefully, we'll get a flashback for her and find out her story soon.
The rest was all off-island. I made the images for on-island only killings.
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April 4th, 2008, 05:31 PM
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Actually, Sawyer tried to kill him by shooting him with the gun. But he missed and the shot didn't kill him. Jack then said he was going in there to euthanize him. It was a mercy killing, but Jack had to do it after Sawyer tried to kill Marshall but ended up just hurting him more.
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When did Jack say he was going in to euthanize him? As I recall Kate and the Marshall are talking in the tent when he says, " I'm gonna die Right? Are you gonna do it or what?" Then it shows Jack on the beach with Hurley who says "Where is the fugitive?" Jack, then says that she is in the tent. Hurley says "You let her in there alone?" Jack -"What is she going to do, she is 120 pounds soak and wet."
Which leads me to believe that he didn't want anything to happen to the Marshall. Hurley then states that Kate has a gun, and Jack runs toward the tent . Kate leaves tent empty handed, when we hear a bang. Sawyer appears with the gun and Jack says "What did you do?" Sawyer then replies "What you couldn't." Sawyer says that he wanted it and that he asked him to. Jack runs into the tent and says " You shot him in the chest?" As he is trying to stop the bleeding. Sawyer-"I was aiming for his heart." Jack- "You missed. You hit his lung, it will take hours to bleed out." Jack yells at Sawyer to get out. We follow Sawyer outside where you hear the Marshall struggling hard to breathe, then silence. Jack leaves tent.
When did Jack say he was going to euthanize him? Just so I know.
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April 4th, 2008, 06:22 PM
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When did Jack say he was going to euthanize him? Just so I know.
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I'll have to look up the episode transcript. I'll go grab it from lostpedia and post it.
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April 4th, 2008, 06:27 PM
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Ben is obviously the bad guy... Killed his father in cold blood then the entire dharma initaitave in the purge ben is missing about 50 people next to him name
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Ben wasn't at the purge. He was away killing his father at the time. By the time he got back, everyone else was dead. That is all we know. Everything else happened behind the scenes, and is purely speculation on our part.
And if the defining characteristic of being the bad guy is that he "Killed his father in cold blood", then the Losties are more of the bad guy then the Others.
Others that killed their father in cold blood: 1 Ben
Losties that killed their fater in cold blood: 2 Locke, Kate
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April 4th, 2008, 06:52 PM
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I'll have to look up the episode transcript. I'll go grab it from lostpedia and post it.
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Here's the transcript from Lostpedia:
[They hear a gun shot. Kate walks away. Sawyer comes walking out with the gun.]
JACK: What did you do?
SAWYER: What you couldn't. Look, I get where you're coming from being a doctor and all, but he wanted it. Hell, he asked me. So, I don't like it any more than you do, but something had to be done.
[Sound of choking sounds come from the infirmary tent.]
HURLEY: Oh, no way. Guys?
[Jack and Sawyer go back in the tent. Jack tries to stop the bleeding.]
JACK: You shot him in the chest?
SAWYER: I was aiming for his heart.
JACK: You missed.
HURLEY [from the entrance of the tent]: Man, is he still breathing?
JACK: You perforated his lung. It'll take hours to bleed out.
SAWYER: So what is -- I only had one bullet.
JACK: Get out. Get out!
HURLEY [leaving]: Oh boy.
[Sawyer leaves feeling bad, and tries to light a smoke but the lighter doesn't light. He throws the cigarette away.]
SAWYER: Damn it!
[The Marshal's sounds of pain stop. Jack walks out of the tent.]
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You're right. It never says that Jack killed him. For some reason I seemed to remember him saying that. Hmmmm. It does say that it was supposed to take the marshal days to die, but Jack is in there alone with him for a short time and when he comes out, Mars is dead.
Not definitive enough for me. Lostpedia listed him as "euthanized by Jack" but I don't know if that's cannon or not. I'm sure I heard it somewhere. Maybe on the an official Lost podcast? Gah. I don't know.
Is there someplace I could look with an 'official' account?
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April 4th, 2008, 09:47 PM
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During the end of last season when Benard, Jin, and Sayid ambushed the ten guys Ben sent out, There were only three left at the end. Which means Sayid and Bernard killed at least three red-shirts each...with one to spare. Or did Jin kill one guy? Anyway at least 3 red-shirts each I'm thinking.
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Well, they started out as 10, and ended up with 3.
From what I could tell, Sayid killed 4, Bernard killed 2, Jin killed 2, Hurley killed 1, and Sawyer killed 2.
Wait. That's 11. gah. Maybe Sayid only killed 3?
Now I have to watch the video again. Well, that's not really a bad thing.
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