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Old February 29th, 2008, 02:31 PM

Default Is Minkowski really dead? Is anyone?

I just don't believe anything I see on this show anymore. One crazy man's confirmation that Minkowski is dead just isn't enough for me. I understand why they want to kill him off, he's sympathetic to Sayid and Desmond and could possibly answer their questions. But do I believe that he couldn't end up in the mix again? No. I don't really care either way about this character but it is another place where I can't believe what I see. I guess this is a question less about Minkowski and more about deaths on the island. We all thought Mikhail was dead when the blood ran from his ears only to see him return a week later in the jungle. Who is really dead? And will they stay that way?

Is this enough proof? Or are they again, misleading us so we don't figure anything out?
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here's my theory about the dead people. why do we keep seeing Jack's father? because when the plane crashed on the island, it veered into or out of the blessed "bearings" that we keep hearing about and it was because des didn't press the buttons that time and so everyone on board was exposed to some electro magnetic radiation courtesy of the island, including the dead bodies, and so Christian starts walking around because now he is TIME LAPSING between when he was alive and when he was dead.

maybe the inhabitants of the island, the others, dharmas and mikhail and what have you, all learned how to harness this power. so they can pop back to a time when they weren't dead...or old...or whatever.

make sense? no. i don't know. the show is freaking me out.
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It would explain the whole "dead people walking around again" thing. Because i really don't know how to explain that differently.
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I like Fisher Stevens (the actor that played Minkowski) I was surprised and a little bit upset about him dying in his first episode. I thought Minkowski was going to be similiar to Ben's character.
But I think he is really dead.

I thought that the dead people that some of the characters have seen on the island. Like Jack's dad and Eko's brother were some form of the smoke monster.
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I believe that anytime a deceased person is seen walking around, it is only in the mind of the person that is seeing them. It also seems that the deceased are always leading someone to something important. EXAMPLE: Jack's Dad leads him to the caves.
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hmmmmm characters popping back to a time when they are not dead? What about popping forward? That would more explain the dead people walking around on the island bit...and what about dead Charley showing up and in the flash forwards with Hurley? Is it in Hurley's mind or is he really showing up? Hurley tells him to go away cause he is dead...and Charley agrees that yeah he did die, but that he is still there, so how about they talk...He obviously has something he wants to communicate to Hurley, but maybe he goes away again when he realizes it is too much for Hurley, i.e Hurley freaks out, closes his eyes and plugs his ears. There is the other patient that sees Charley too to verify his actual presence, but I guess that could too have been a figment of Hurley's imagination.
I also seem not to remember why/how Locke got out of the pit that Ben left him for dead in. Perhaps I missed an episode? Could someone enlighten me?

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hmmmmm characters popping back to a time when they are not dead? What about popping forward? That would more explain the dead people walking around on the island bit...and what about dead Charley showing up and in the flash forwards with Hurley? Is it in Hurley's mind or is he really showing up? Hurley tells him to go away cause he is dead...and Charley agrees that yeah he did die, but that he is still there, so how about they talk...He obviously has something he wants to communicate to Hurley, but maybe he goes away again when he realizes it is too much for Hurley, i.e Hurley freaks out, closes his eyes and plugs his ears. There is the other patient that sees Charley too to verify his actual presence, but I guess that could too have been a figment of Hurley's imagination.
I also seem not to remember why/how Locke got out of the pit that Ben left him for dead in. Perhaps I missed an episode? Could someone enlighten me?

Walt shows up when Locke is in the pit.
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I like Fisher Stevens (the actor that played Minkowski) I was surprised and a little bit upset about him dying in his first episode. I thought Minkowski was going to be similiar to Ben's character.
But I think he is really dead.

I thought that the dead people that some of the characters have seen on the island. Like Jack's dad and Eko's brother were some form of the smoke monster.
I think he's dead too which is too bad, I've always liked him as a character on his other projects. I don't know about the smoke monster. I'm liking the theories people are floating out there about the people moving through time, even to a place after their bodies are dead.

Has anyone here read The Time Traveler's Wife? Not only is it an excellent book but they talk about a kind of time travel that reminds me of what's happening on the island. The big difference is that the character in the book actually goes back with his body to a different time where those on the island seem to just be sending their consciousness backwards and forwards. In the book, he goes forward to a time when his body has already died and gets to see his daughter and wife a couple of times. Even though his body didn't exist in that time period, he was there and they saw him. It seems with Desmond, there was already a body for him to enter. But with the dead characters like Charlie and Christian, they don't have a body to enter so they sort of bring theirs with them. Although they are aware of their past (deaths, etc) they have somehow broken from their time line to make some type of change in the lives of our LOSTies.
 
 
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I like Fisher Stevens (the actor that played Minkowski) I was surprised and a little bit upset about him dying in his first episode. I thought Minkowski was going to be similiar to Ben's character.
But I think he is really dead.

I thought that the dead people that some of the characters have seen on the island. Like Jack's dad and Eko's brother were some form of the smoke monster.
Agreed with the smoke monster thing. Every person that has been "scene" is the smoke monster I think. Or maybe even Jacob.

I really thought this after Eko gives his "forgive me, for I have NOT sinned" speech to the vision of his brother...the vision says, "You speak to me as if I am really your brother."

So...yeah!

We all remember the faces seen flickering in the smoke monster also. It's much more than smoke for sure.
 
 
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