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4x12 - There's No Place Like Home, Part 1 Airdate: May 15, 2008

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Could the other person be Michael?

Man, as she was walking away on the ship last night, holding Aaron, I got so upset. All this time, I didn't really think that Jin was dead, but maybe that's about to happen with all that C4??? (Oh! I hope not!)

But wasn't that scene with her dad the GREATEST?!? Her charecter transformation has been amazing.
I thought that scene was crap. I really don't like Sun. Not that shes not a good actress or anything, but EVERY SINGLE BAD THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO JIN WAS HER FAULT. He was in debt to Mr. Paik cause of her and had to do the mafia job. She cheated on him and was going to leave him and when she had to chance to come clean about it she kept lying. Everytime they have a Sun episode she keeps F@#king up. Out of all they character flaws on the show, hers is the worst. I'm just saying...
 
 
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Now, I'm no expert about C4 explosives on a ship or anything... (and I also expected to see the explosion while she walked away) but wouldn't that kill her too if she's still on the ship? Or at least sink the ship and then what's she going to do? Float on a door with the baby like in Titanic?
That lady (who I assume was from Oceanic) said that a boat had wrecked (did she say on the reef?) and that the survivors had found the little raft washed up on the shore. That leads me to believe that the boat does blow up.
 
 
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I thought that scene was crap. I really don't like Sun. Not that shes not a good actress or anything, but EVERY SINGLE BAD THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO JIN WAS HER FAULT. He was in debt to Mr. Paik cause of her and had to do the mafia job. She cheated on him and was going to leave him and when she had to chance to come clean about it she kept lying. Everytime they have a Sun episode she keeps F@#king up. Out of all they character flaws on the show, hers is the worst. I'm just saying...
Good point maybe she's lashing out at her father in a kind of "blame someone else for your problems" deal. But as someone said earlier in the thread Jin was misunderstood by Sun until they fixed they're marriage on the island.
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Good point maybe she's lashing out at her father in a kind of "blame someone else for your problems" deal. But as someone said earlier in the thread Jin was misunderstood by Sun until they fixed they're marriage on the island.
I remember Jin saying he knew why Sun cheated and he wasn't that man anymore but it's because Sun isn't screwing up his life. He became a "bad" guy because of Sun. She changed, not him.
 
 
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Now, I'm no expert about C4 explosives on a ship or anything... (and I also expected to see the explosion while she walked away) but wouldn't that kill her too if she's still on the ship? Or at least sink the ship and then what's she going to do? Float on a door with the baby like in Titanic?
I'd argee there is so much C4 on there I don't think she'd be blown in the clear from the explosion. So far she's the only one of the Oceanic 6 that is on the freighter.
I'm just throwing this out there but maybe the raft bring some more to the freighter and Sun tells Daniel about the C4 onboard he goes to check it out and mean while she see the compass in the raft and her and Aaron gets in the raft and she goes back to the island meets up with the other Oceanic 6 and they get in the raft and between the explosion on the the freigther and whatever Locke does that "moves the island" knocks them and the raft to where their found.
I don't like the thought of the freigther getting blown up because I'd be really sad about Desmond not getting back with Penny, Sun losing Jin. I don't even want to think about it, it just makes me sad and all.
 
 
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I'd argee there is so much C4 on there I don't think she'd be blown in the clear from the explosion. So far she's the only one of the Oceanic 6 that is on the freighter.
I'm just throwing this out there but maybe the raft bring some more to the freighter and Sun tells Daniel about the C4 onboard he goes to check it out and mean while she see the compass in the raft and her and Aaron gets in the raft and she goes back to the island meets up with the other Oceanic 6 and they get in the raft and between the explosion on the the freigther and whatever Locke does that "moves the island" knocks them and the raft to where their found.
I don't like the thought of the freigther getting blown up because I'd be really sad about Desmond not getting back with Penny, Sun losing Jin. I don't even want to think about it, it just makes me sad and all.
I hate to say it but I think Jin is done for. We've already seen Sun go to his gravestone, and she confronted her father about him being partially the cause of his death. It makes me sad too, I don't want to see Jin die. Desmond is someone they have devoted a lot of story to and I don't see that ending very soon. What a downer that would be now that his love with Penny is finally rekindled for him to snuff it.
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That's what keeps throwing me... they can't kill Desmond! However, it did occur to me that with Ben pissed at Widmore b/c of Alex's death, with then Penny pissed at his b/c of Desmond's death, that the two of them could really take him down and that could be the series finale.
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The second person is JACK.

Jack is the leader, Jack promised to get them off the island, Jack is the guy chasing the chopper, Kate gave the baby to her, so she could help Jack. Sayid isn't running the boat back because he is going to help Jack. Something Jack does, or doesn't do is what is going to get Jin killed.
 
 
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Sun going back to the island with Aaron makes sense, since we know that Sun can sail a boat, we know she'll have the confidence to following a heading.
 
 
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For those of you that still want hope that Jin is alive (and personally have no idea if he's alive or dead), I concocted this little theory:

They have to lie about everything in the real world or their family and friends will be hurt that are still on the island. Well, what if by 'You are one of the 2 people responsible for the death of my husband', she meant you are one of the reasons why he is still on the island and so susceptible to death. It's pretty obvious with Jack & Kate that they are not allowed to go back to the Island and Sun is under the impression she will never see her husband again.

We don't have to jump to conclusions, because I think that the writers have made it pretty clear Jin will die and it's almost too obvious to the viewers that he will. I think they'll pull a fast one like they always do and keep him alive. If you do remember his gravestone is marked with the crash date like in Sun's story.
 
 
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