Ben is a liar. We know this.

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"Helen, do you remember that authentic Australian walkabout I told you about?"

Not all the time!

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" We kinda like knew that forever ago." -Hurley SE4EP8

Words mean more than what they imply on the surface.

Ben did not gas D.I.
Richard Alpert's and his crew did it.
Since the relating episode was a Ben-centric one, many of us read the narrative as if it was solely for Ben and by Ben, with Ben's decision and initiative. Most likely,it was a larger plan (of Jacob, I don't know) and the timing was right for Ben to "reborn". So Richard made him a part of it which must have been to his (R's) advantage at some practical point too for the execution of the plan..

Ben manipulates more than he lies.
And which character on/off the island never lied really?
Of course, except for Vincent, the canine Chuck Norris..

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"Bear...? Is that you?"-- Hurley S03E4

There was a glitch in the Matrix...

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i think jacob is not a strong as we expected, why does he have to ask for help to "move the island"???? and he is always giving clues in dreams jeje XD , in this case horace was a good element, we just have to take a look when ben discovers that the map of the cabin belongs to horace...now that ben lost alex he is regretfull about the horrible things that he did...

Hmm, what if Jacob, is a strong in the sense that he can guide or influence, but can not will, because he's some ghost or apparition? I mean pretty obvious that he's not a living human. No body, no will....?

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"Bear...? Is that you?"-- Hurley S03E4

No soul???

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" We kinda like knew that forever ago." -Hurley SE4EP8

I was getting the pugatory/hell vibe from that dream sequence with Goodspeed. I seem to recall several mythological characters punished in a similiar manner. I've got no clue on names but one guy had his guts eaten out by birds every day and another guy had to push a boulder up the side of a mountain, only to have it roll down the other side. In fact, isn't Atlas supposedly holding the world, literally, on his shoulders?

Point being, the three examples above were all being punished, for all eternity, by some higher power that they had offended. To me it looked like he was chopping that tree forever and ever and ever... Locke just happened to venture into the trippy dream world Goodspeed was locked into. Of course Locke has been know to take psychedelics...

[quote=iamjohnlocke;46995]...I seem to recall several mythological characters punished in a similiar manner. I've got no clue on names but one guy had his guts eaten out by birds every day

POTPIES:
Prometheus. Later Heracles shot the vulture and saved him.

IAMJOHNLOCKE:
and another guy had to push a boulder up the side of a mountain, only to have it roll down the other side.

POTPIES:
Sisyphus

IAMJOHNLOCKE:
In fact, isn't Atlas supposedly holding the world, literally, on his shoulders?

POTPIES:
Yup. And there's Persephone who had to spend 6 months a year in Hades because she ate 6 pomegranate seeds while she was a captive there. Maybe that relates to Claire somehow? Just guessing, but we think she is alive and had to stay behind. Claire was kind of a hippy Earth goddess type. (Though, it was Sun who had the garden...) Even if Claire's dead, and had to stay behind.... I don't know.

IAMJOHNLOCKE:
....Locke just happened to venture into the trippy dream world Goodspeed was locked into...

POTPIES:
Well, it's interesting you say that. The name "Goodspeed" made me think of Hermes, the god symbolized by winged feet or winged sandals. I think someone here put that idea in my head. Flaneuse, maybe?

So many of you guys have make such interesting connections with the show! It keeps me thinking, definitely; the big reason why I like this site so much.

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