did widmore change the rules??? - Page 2

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Originally Posted by chetzyl

the island won´t let them kill each other.....and i have another question? is desmond going to die??? because, when ben explains to sayid how did he get off the island he mention the boat but ben says you remember your fiend desmond?? i dont know tis serie is driving me crazy!!!

When Ben is successful in killing Penelope then desmond will probably die as well. Penelope being his constant and all…

I think once you have contact with your constant you stop travelling so if your constant dies after you meet them, its ok. Also, you can have another constant. It just has to be something you are connected to both past and present

And for Desmond, that could be Widmore!

One question: Now that Penny is Desmond's constant, does that mean that his time traveling has stopped, or just that he won't die from it?

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Originally Posted by Aljoe07

I think once you have contact with your constant you stop travelling so if your constant dies after you meet them, its ok. Also, you can have another constant. It just has to be something you are connected to both past and present

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Originally Posted by Aljoe07

I think once you have contact with your constant you stop travelling so if your constant dies after you meet them, its ok. Also, you can have another constant. It just has to be something you are connected to both past and present

I agree totally. At the end of "the constant" Desmond is just fine and no longer needs a constant. As for Dan, if Desmond is killed what happens then?

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Originally Posted by chickenpotpiesarehot

And for Desmond, that could be Widmore!

One question: Now that Penny is Desmond's constant, does that mean that his time traveling has stopped, or just that he won't die from it?

I believe his time travelling has stopped for now. If he is ever exposed to the same conditions that caused the travel then he has to do it over

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Originally Posted by darnzy

I agree totally. At the end of "the constant" Desmond is just fine and no longer needs a constant. As for Dan, if Desmond is killed what happens then?

Well he has to find another constant. His options are anyone in Jack's camp or Miles, Charlotte, or Faraday since he seems to spend a good amount of time with them.

I'm still emotionally bankrupt after Charlie's death. I can't deal with the thought of losing Penny or Desmond for the love of God!

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Originally Posted by Sabathius

I'm still emotionally bankrupt after Charlie's death. I can't deal with the thought of losing Penny or Desmond for the love of God!

I feel for you, neither can I..

Could it be that Penny and Desmond are Adam and Eve and are killed on the island? Maybe Ben made good on his promise to find and kill her, kills Desmond in the process and someone else places them in the cave?

I am going to be heartbroken if one or both of them die..

Here is an interesting take on it. It's from DocArtz's website.

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What I am presenting here is merely a theory on the rules. This is only speculation. Maybe we can come up with a more complete list rules as we theorize about this together.
What have we seen so far...
An Other has never killed anyone directly that was on 'the List.' 'An Other' has only killed 'An Other' and not suffered punishment after consent was given (i.e. Klugh* told Mikhail to kill her.) When Juliet killed Picket, she was banished and marked.
Ben has never killed anyone on the list. However, he put Goodwin in a situation that would lead to his death. In a sense, island justice was allowed to play out, so Ben's hands were stain free. Ben still lives by the rules as we see with the freighter and his not wanting to kill innocents.
The Rules:

1. Everyone on the List are considered the good guys and are safe from harm.
2. The others have never killed anyone on the list.
3. The others only kill one of their own after consent has been given.
4. Those on the list are to join and be accepted by the others.
5. Punishment for the death of an other by an other means banishment and marking.
6. Those on the list can be put into harmful situations that may result in their death.
This must mean that Alex was on the list. Ben never expected her to be killed in that situation. In this case, the rules were changed because someone on the list was murdered by one seeking communion with the island. It was not supposed to happen.
Ben specifically said that Widmore had changed the rules, not that he didn't abide by the rules. By allowing Alex to be murdered, Widmore shows that he has power over the rules. The rules are there to protect the innocent. By murdering Alex, Widmore is now no longer able to protect those on his list. Hence, the introduction of Sayid as assassin. Sayid is now going after all of those that were on Widmore's list. Now, Widmore is no longer able to protect them because he changed the rules

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1. Should we be assuming that every Other is on The List?
2. Should we also assume that every Lostie who was kidnapped is on The List? Or could they have just been the strongest, as Mr. Eko guessed?
2. Do we have a complete list of the Losties who are on the list?
3. Should we assume that names on the list that Bea Klugh gives to Michael are on The List as well?
4. Who do we know of the Losties that is definitely not on The List? Kate, AnaLucia, who else? Who else has been described as "not a good person?"

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

Here is an interesting take on it. It's from DocArtz's website.

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I thought it was interesting that Ben said,"He changed the rules," not "He broke the rules." To change the rules would mean that it was still a rule and therefore Ben could play by that rule. To break the rules Ben would have to cry "foul" and would be not be able to do what Widmore did. So by Ben saying Widmore only changed the rule, Ben manipulated the situation and made it fair for Ben to reciprocate and go after Widmore's daughter.