Ben's secret tunnel - Page 6

Remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine sees the Jesus fish on Peddy's car and then discovers all his pre-set radio stations are Christian rock stations? Then she breaks up with him because he keeps telling her that she's going to hell? Classic.

I think the fish symbol in Christianity has something to do with "loaves and fishes," and that the fish is a symbol of bodily nourishment while Christianity provides spiritual nourishment. (???) Maybe, I don't know. I also feel like it means sacrifice, though I can't remember why.

I keep thinking that the whole Dharma taking over from the Hostiles is somehow symbolic of organized religion taking over from paganism/animism, even if the organized religion is pseudo-Buddhism (or Buddhistized Christianity) rather than Christianity. The connection keeps bugging me.

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Originally Posted by Heaker

this man with the fish in front of him could also meen like sacrifice. like the people who lived on the island saw the smoke monster as their god and they would sacrifice food (fish) to it. so it wouldt go nuts and kill em all?

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Originally Posted by Aljoe07

The smoke monster was surrounded with electricity. Is that new? I can only remember it sounding like thunder but I do not remember seeing actually electricity. Maybe there is more than one smoke monster? One Ben controls and one roaming free on the island? I say this because why would they need the electric fence outside the barracks if he can control it? One answer I can think of is that he can not fully control Smokey. He can send him places but cannot control who it attacks. Thats why he told them to wait until it passed them. Also, Ben was not afraid of Smokey when one of the soldiers ran out of the woods and carry him away. So I'm assuming that the one who summonds him will not get hurt.

No, we've seen it display this "type" of behavior before. A season back, it approached Juliette and seemed to flash--as if taking pictures of her.

However, this time it seemed to be in super-attack-mode, not a patrol-like mode. It went straight to the mercs as if it had been given precise coordinates by Ben.

"Jesus Fish" explanation

This is from DocArtz's website:

Top Line - "to summon", "time to summon" or "to summon time"

In this instance, there is one word that can help us determine the way the hieroglyphic is meant to be read and unfortunately it is the only crystal clear word here.

nas - "to summon" or "to call"

Nas or "to summon" is represented by the man with the outstretched arm (see diagram above) and the reason why it is so clear is the simple fact that the word is a determinative. A determinative is the way that the Egyptians associated meaning and pronunciations to their words.

So, "to summon" by itself would appear as n (the squiggle) on top, with a and s underneath, followed by the picture of the man holding his arm over something. This may mean that the hieroglyphics here are meant to be read from right to left, but it is impossible to say which is the right direction.

ra - "time"

The word "time" is an ideograph (hieroglyphic meant to express an idea), and is represented by a circle with a dot in the middle of it. Since the hieroglyphic is somewhat obscured, we can only guess that this is what was meant to be shown.

Second Line - "Protection", "Power" or "Strength"

The second line does not have anything that could determine direction and is a combination of ideographs and phonetics. There are an infinite amount of possibilities as to what this line means, so I'll give the phonetic and idea of each hieroglyphic and let you theorize away!

hen - "master" or "priest"

Hen as a noun would translate roughly into master, but could be easily be seen as priest. This could mean the chamber is for holy men only or could be referring to the one who is control of this island?

"man with weapon" - "power", "strength", or "protection"

The second line would seem to be anchored by this hieroglyphic, because the phrase "to summon protection" would make the most sense. After Ben left the door covered in soot, smokey was right behind him. Is the chambers purpose to summon smokey?

"container" or "stone container"

This hieroglyphic is the most confusing, could this mean that summoning smokey involves some kind of container?

anx - "life"

This symbol is not an hieroglyphic, but there is a hieroglyphic extremely similar to it. The anx hieroglyphic is a cross much like the one here, but has a looped top. Again this seems to be referring to the ritual that would summon smokey, maybe giving him life or a sacrifice of life is needed to summon him?

The Whole Enchilada - "To summon protection"

The simplest translation of these hieroglyphics is "to summon protection", but there are almost endless ways they can be translated. Here are a few to get those theories flowing:

"Time to summon strength"

"To summon time protection" or "To summon time power"

"Time summons the power of life"

That is so cool Queen. Is there another explanation of the painting on the swan hatch wall on Doc Arzt.com? I won't go on there, too many spoilers.

Here is an interview with Michael Emerson that Kristin from E! News conducted. Michael Emerson talks about the Smoke Monster.

Spoiler for the smoke monster:

That sounds so sick!! I love it, Queen do you think with him saying that it still could be wormholes through the center of the earth???

I can't see how we can get around wormholes, can you?

I just don't understand, if it's a whole system of wormholes around the world--the vile vortices theory--surely, they would have been discovered a long time ago and the island would not have been able to be kept secret, right? This is what makes me wonder if the island can be both entry point and exit, but maybe the other special places on earth (Isaac of Uluhru's ranch, for instance) are only for 1-way traveling. They each have strong, magnetic forces associated with them (Isaac says as much to Rose), but none are as strong as the island.

Also, I've been meaning to ask for some time now: Is there a Lemony Snicket joke in the theory name "Vile Vortices"? In fact, doesn't Snicket have a book with a similar name? (The Ersatz Elevator, The Penultimate Peril, The Wide Window, etc.) A fun alliterative name? I'm just wondering because the vortices themselves are neither vile nor the opposite of vile, it's in how they are used...I guess, right?

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

I can't see how we can get around wormholes, can you?

I liked the wormhole theory from when you first posted it. Just what do you think he meant by (all the machinery and at what costs statemeant???)