Ben's secret tunnel - Page 4

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Originally Posted by Aljoe07

I do not think he time travelled at that point. How would he know about Nadia getting killed? He seen it on the news around the same time he got there. He did not know the date either. So it seems like he can travel but has no control to where or when he goes. That was the only reason why Sayid joined him. The door is probably the secret to the island.

I think that being able to coerce Sayid into helping him was just a happy coincidence for Ben

he leaped forward randomly to hopefully find something to help him back on the island

(maybe the time leaping mechanism, and doing something in the future/past is what causes smokey to come out and wtfpwn people?)

Here's a good shot of the writing on the door of Ben's secret room's secret room. Do the heiroglyphics look similar to the Swan Mural?

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

Here's a good shot of the writing on the door of Ben's secret room's secret room. Do the heiroglyphics look similar to the Swan Mural?

Hey QBS

So nice to have the show back on, and you still posting these great screen shots! To answer your question I don't see many similarities aside from the fish. Also Ben's secret door looks way older, like wicked old.

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Originally Posted by CanO'Worms

Hey QBS

So nice to have the show back on, and you still posting these great screen shots! To answer your question I don't see many similarities aside from the fish. Also Ben's secret door looks way older, like wicked old.

Hey! That's the first time anyone's called me QBS! I like it!

I can't really do your name though because it comes out as C.O.W. and I don't want to call you a cow! *giggle* Yeah, I don't think they are too similar either, but the heiroglyphics look almost childish to me, rather than "ancient civilization-y". Does that make sense? I definitely want to look into the door more. It was completely cool that Ben's secret room had a secret room.

Do you know of anywhere that has a good screenshot of the door? That would be great to try to decipher its glyphs.

11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jswindle

Do you know of anywhere that has a good screenshot of the door? That would be great to try to decipher its glyphs.

Hi jswindle, check out queenbeesteph's post above and click on the attachment for "bensroom.gif" (or something like that). I think you will find what you are looking for

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

Hey! That's the first time anyone's called me QBS! I like it!

I can't really do your name though because it comes out as C.O.W. and I don't want to call you a cow! *giggle* Yeah, I don't think they are too similar either, but the heiroglyphics look almost childish to me, rather than "ancient civilization-y". Does that make sense? I definitely want to look into the door more. It was completely cool that Ben's secret room had a secret room.

LOL, I don't mind COW, I used to collect cows when I was a child (some kind of Gary Larson-inspired lunacy

) I'm a little lost on the context of that mural, and I can't remember the episode it was in, so it is hard to comment on it. You said it was in the Pearl? It looks like something out of a children's book, you're right. That mural does remind me of the one in the nuthouse where Hurley lives when Abaddon comes to visit him, the one right behind Abaddon's head that someone posted a screencap of in another thread.

I don't know masonry terminology but some of the symbols on Ben's door appear to be raised (the stone carved away to leave a raised symbol), while others appear to be carved into the stone. Would that mean they were made at different times, by different people?

No, no... the mural is from the Swan Hatch. Check out this picture - it is an overlay of the Swan mural and the chalkboard.

11:27 PM

Thanks!

It's highly speculative at this point, but I think the glyphs have something to do with summoning the monster. The top line of the glyphs have a person with a raised hand to actuate or gesture towards something (familiar in Egyptian hieroglyphics), the monster's representation can be the box shape to the right of the person on the top line with the squiggly lines representing the odd noises it makes (monster roar and sound of a dot-matrix printer).

Since there are several biblical references in this show, I can surmise that the fish stands for a savior of some sort (early Christians used to paint fish on the walls of Roman sewer systems to notify other Christians of secret worship areas using the latin word Ichthys as an acronym for those that worship Christ), a figure with an instrument to summon something, and the beast (here represented as a circular figure, usually meant as amorphous spirits in Egyptian hieroglyphics) to bring about death (here represented as a cross).

What does everyone else think?

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

I don't know masonry terminology but some of the symbols on Ben's door appear to be raised (the stone carved away to leave a raised symbol), while others appear to be carved into the stone. Would that mean they were made at different times, by different people?

No, no... the mural is from the Swan Hatch. Check out this picture - it is an overlay of the Swan mural and the chalkboard.

Thanks for the clarification. Well, not speaking from the perspective of one schooled on masonry, rather an inactive anthropology undergrad, I would say that the glyphs on the right apear African in origin, (is that a Celtic cross? druidic maybe?) while the "raised" carvings you mention remind me of Meso-American carvings. If you look closely you wil see the image of a creature (bird?) with a hand and it is putting something into its mouth. Maybe you already saw that, but i didn't until I opened it in another program and zoomed in.

Well, it's a good thing Charlotte stayed on the island - she's probably our best hope of interpreting these symbols and maybe the symbols at the as-yet-unseen temple.

Both of you guys have some interesting insights. Wow! Where is the bird? Could the bird with a had actually be a "harpie"? I like the idea of the squiggly line inside the box representing the smoke monster. After seeing the way the smoke monster came into the barracks last night - one long wavy line - that could be that symbol.