Ben's Manipulation Through Time - Page 4

I don't think that if they were experimenting with time travel polar bears would their first choice of animals to manipulate. I mean even there a lot of more environmentally diverse, smaller and cooperative animals they could work with. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by darnzy

Could you tell us more about the "vile vortices"? I have never heard of them before.

Absolutely!

The Vile Vortices theory attempts to explain how various boats and aircraft came to be on the Island.

Basis
[Lostpedia] The theory is based on the real, albeit pseudoscientific concept that there are twelve Bermuda Triangle-like areas dubbed Vile Vortices distributed more or less evenly around the globe (see map below). Five are near the Tropic of Cancer; Five are near the Tropic of Capricorn; And one each are at either of the Poles. The most famous of the Vile Vortices are the Bermuda Triangle itself and the Devil's Sea near Japan. Some believe the Vortices are connected to each other via electromagnetic 'grid lines'. Some believe that they are gateways or portals to other dimensions. Of particular relevance to Lost is the Vortex located in the Pacific Ocean near Fiji; The one in the Mozambique Channel near Madagasgar; and the one over the western Sahara desert near Tunisia.

It is surmised that the Island is a "central dumping ground" - the "middle of a spiders web" to which boats and ships are drawn to through the Vile Vortices. As the Island is ostensibly a tropical Pacific island it is located spatially near the Fiji Vortex - but in another dimension. The Vortices are enterable if approached from certain bearings or positions. Alternately, passing vessels and objects may succumb to a Vortex if it is agitated or inflamed by an electromagnetic surge, such as a discharge emanating from the Island. Such a discharge would also be enough to alert the 'outside world' as to a disturbance via the electromagnetic grid lines.

Drawn through the Fiji Vortex:

Flight 815
Desmond's boat
Danielle's expeditionary vessel
Drawn through the Mozambique Channel Vortex:

The Black Rock
Note: Locke said that the ship "must have been en route to a mining colony--(it) probably set off from the eastern coast of Africa--Mozambique". ("Exodus, Part 2")
Also: The only known surviving artifact from the ship - the first mate's ledger - was discovered in same region, on a small island off neighbouring Madagasgar. ("The Constant")
Drawn through the Sahara Vortex:

The Nigerian Beechcraft
Note: When Boone entered the plane we saw a map in which the word SAHARA was prominently featured. Indeed the camera panned up from Nigeria to the Sahara suggesting that this was the plane's route. ("Deus Ex Machina")

[Wikipedia]The Vile Vortices are twelve roughly evenly distributed geographic areas that are alleged to have the same mysterious qualities popularly associated with the Bermuda Triangle. The best-known vortices are the the Bermuda Triangle itself, the Devil's Sea near Japan and the South Atlantic Anomaly.

Five of the twelve vortices fall on a latitude close to the Tropic of Capricorn, while another five fall close to the Tropic of Cancer. The remaining two are located on the North and South Poles. Together they form the vertices of an icosahedron.

About the ICOSAHEDRON - at first I thought that the drawings in Daniel's notebook were a tesseract, but it might turn out in fact to be a iscosehedron. It could show the paths between the travelling vortices.

The purple areas on the map below are the areas of the vile vortices. There is also an area called the Oregon vortex (not on the map) which is interesting in that Juliet left from Portland and Ethan told her the trip could be a bit bumpy and that was why he had to drug her. In light of Ben's recent vomiting trip to the desert, that might be how Ethan, Richard and Juliet travelled from Oregon.

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

Absolutely!

The Vile Vortices theory attempts to explain how various boats and aircraft came to be on the Island.

Basis
[Lostpedia] The theory is based on the real, albeit pseudoscientific concept that there are twelve Bermuda Triangle-like areas dubbed Vile Vortices distributed more or less evenly around the globe (see map below). Five are near the Tropic of Cancer; Five are near the Tropic of Capricorn; And one each are at either of the Poles. The most famous of the Vile Vortices are the Bermuda Triangle itself and the Devil's Sea near Japan. Some believe the Vortices are connected to each other via electromagnetic 'grid lines'. Some believe that they are gateways or portals to other dimensions. Of particular relevance to Lost is the Vortex located in the Pacific Ocean near Fiji; The one in the Mozambique Channel near Madagasgar; and the one over the western Sahara desert near Tunisia.

It is surmised that the Island is a "central dumping ground" - the "middle of a spiders web" to which boats and ships are drawn to through the Vile Vortices. As the Island is ostensibly a tropical Pacific island it is located spatially near the Fiji Vortex - but in another dimension. The Vortices are enterable if approached from certain bearings or positions. Alternately, passing vessels and objects may succumb to a Vortex if it is agitated or inflamed by an electromagnetic surge, such as a discharge emanating from the Island. Such a discharge would also be enough to alert the 'outside world' as to a disturbance via the electromagnetic grid lines.

Drawn through the Fiji Vortex:

Flight 815
Desmond's boat
Danielle's expeditionary vessel
Drawn through the Mozambique Channel Vortex:

The Black Rock
Note: Locke said that the ship "must have been en route to a mining colony--(it) probably set off from the eastern coast of Africa--Mozambique". ("Exodus, Part 2")
Also: The only known surviving artifact from the ship - the first mate's ledger - was discovered in same region, on a small island off neighbouring Madagasgar. ("The Constant")
Drawn through the Sahara Vortex:

The Nigerian Beechcraft
Note: When Boone entered the plane we saw a map in which the word SAHARA was prominently featured. Indeed the camera panned up from Nigeria to the Sahara suggesting that this was the plane's route. ("Deus Ex Machina")

[Wikipedia]The Vile Vortices are twelve roughly evenly distributed geographic areas that are alleged to have the same mysterious qualities popularly associated with the Bermuda Triangle. The best-known vortices are the the Bermuda Triangle itself, the Devil's Sea near Japan and the South Atlantic Anomaly.

Five of the twelve vortices fall on a latitude close to the Tropic of Capricorn, while another five fall close to the Tropic of Cancer. The remaining two are located on the North and South Poles. Together they form the vertices of an icosahedron.

About the ICOSAHEDRON - at first I thought that the drawings in Daniel's notebook were a tesseract, but it might turn out in fact to be a iscosehedron. It could show the paths between the travelling vortices.

The purple areas on the map below are the areas of the vile vortices. There is also an area called the Oregon vortex (not on the map) which is interesting in that Juliet left from Portland and Ethan told her the trip could be a bit bumpy and that was why he had to drug her. In light of Ben's recent vomiting trip to the desert, that might be how Ethan, Richard and Juliet travelled from Oregon.

Wow, thank you for such a wonderfully written explanation! The Geometry went right over my head, but I get the overall gist. I can't believe there are so many "vortices"!

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Originally Posted by Tikker

it's not just a transferring machine tho

the pearl video showed the exact same rabbit showing up in a different spot and they freaked out about having the 2 possibly touch

I will say that I have been thinking for quite some time that there may be 2 bens. maybe thats silly.... but maybe.

I think there's only 1 ben, but with him traipsing thru time/space there's the possibility of the same ben from different times showing up in the same spot in time and space

Maybe Ben dies in the final episode of the series because two or more of him end up in the same place at the same time, like the rabbits in the Orchid Station video!! Just imagining for kicks.

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Originally Posted by Tikker

I think there's only 1 ben, but with him traipsing thru time/space there's the possibility of the same ben from different times showing up in the same spot in time and space

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Originally Posted by chickenpotpiesarehot

Maybe Ben dies in the final episode of the series because two or more of him end up in the same place at the same time, like the rabbits in the Orchid Station video!! Just imagining for kicks.

Wow, that would make an interesting cliffhanger. But Ben's not gonna die, we all know it. He is too much of a staple to the story.

No, I mean the very very last episode. As in Season 6, Episode 16. You never know... But it's pretty safe to assume that major characters are going to be 86'ed between now and then. B'bye, Claire! B'bye, Sawyer! (Just my guess, not a spoiler.)

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Originally Posted by darnzy

Wow, that would make an interesting cliffhanger. But Ben's not gonna die, we all know it. He is too much of a staple to the story.

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Originally Posted by chickenpotpiesarehot

No, I mean the very very last episode. As in Season 6, Episode 16. You never know... But it's pretty safe to assume that major characters are going to be 86'ed between now and then. B'bye, Claire! B'bye, Sawyer! (Just my guess, not a spoiler.)

Please don't talk about the very last episode. It makes me want to cry.

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Originally Posted by chickenpotpiesarehot

Maybe Ben dies in the final episode of the series because two or more of him end up in the same place at the same time, like the rabbits in the Orchid Station video!! Just imagining for kicks.

That's a very interesting idea about Ben being duplicated in the Orchid Station and the duplicate is the one that traveled! They did give us the Orchid video, so we have to ask ourselves why? What did the video show us? (Oh no? Is it "The Prestige" all over again?) My concern about this thought would be - what do you do with the extra Bens running around all over the place? Is there that fear that if you run into yourself you could .... I don't know.... whatever...blow up? rip the very fabric of space and time? eliminate yourself out of existance?