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4x09 - The Shape of Things to Come Airdate: April 24, 2008

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I didn't think Ben would let them kill Alex, I thought he would turn himself in.
I think that maybe Widmore and Ben had a gentleman's agreement that family was to be left alone, and only outsiders could be killed
 
 
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I think the "Rules" are referring to the unwritten rules of war which include no killing of women and children and no killing of unarmed people or hostages. I think Ben was sure Alex would live but now that Widmore broke the rules, all is fair game even killing Penelope.
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Good point Aljoe7
I agree with you on this but I am still wondering if there isn't some larger picture.
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Maybe Ben is Charles' son!?!?!?! He did refer to him as 'Boy' like a father does when he scolding his son. Or maybe they have some other blood connection. Or maybe he was adopted?

Before anybody writes that we see both of Ben's parents, a lot of things are not what they seem to be. Anything is possible.

Another thing was bothering me that I thought would be addressed in this episode. How does Whidmore know about the Losties? As far as he knew, it crashed into the ocean. Wasn't the plane off course by over a hundred miles? There is no way he knew about the Losties unless there is a spy amongst them.
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No exact quotes but some thoughts...
Spoiler for hearing test...:
Doesn't Ben say something to Widmore about "your rock is nice this time of year"? Which I took to mean either the Island or the Black Rock. And if Widmore is an ancient as we suspect he might be, then the Black Rock could literally be 'his', and that's why he refers to Ben as "boy" (because Ben is so much younger than he...centuries?...and because he considers Ben an upstart who 'stole everything from' him.)

That's as convoluted a statement as the show's plotline. Did I get the quotes even remotely close?
 
 
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Maybe Ben is Charles' son!?!?!?! He did refer to him as 'Boy' like a father does when he scolding his son. Or maybe they have some other blood connection. Or maybe he was adopted?

Before anybody writes that we see both of Ben's parents, a lot of things are not what they seem to be. Anything is possible.

Another thing was bothering me that I thought would be addressed in this episode. How does Whidmore know about the Losties? As far as he knew, it crashed into the ocean. Wasn't the plane off course by over a hundred miles? There is no way he knew about the Losties unless there is a spy amongst them.
Whidmore (to our knowledge at this point) planted that airplane, and filled it with bodies from dug up graves from some Asian country (This is something that Tom shared with michael when he recruited him to become KEvin Johnson and get on the freighter).

And I doubt Ben is Charles' son.

Ben is going to kill his sister to get revenge on his father? No.
 
 
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teacakes, I think Ben says "IRAQ is lovely around this time of the year", implying where he's just been back from.
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Whidmore (to our knowledge at this point) planted that airplane, and filled it with bodies from dug up graves from some Asian country (This is something that Tom shared with michael when he recruited him to become KEvin Johnson and get on the freighter).

And I doubt Ben is Charles' son.

Ben is going to kill his sister to get revenge on his father? No.
I know that Whidmore planted the plane but how did Whidmore know the Losties are on the island?
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I know that Whidmore planted the plane but how did Whidmore know the Losties are on the island?
Well now that we know that it is Whidmore's freighter, I think we can assume Abbadon is working for Whidmore. Abbadon knew there were survivors of the plane crash, so Whidmore knows too.
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