Forged Papers

Remember back to the episode D.O.C. where Sun abruptly enters her father's office and Mr. Paik and another man are having an untranslated conversation in Korean?

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Sun interrupts Mr. Paik having a conversation with his associates. The conversation is notably not subtitled despite all other Korean conversations being so in the episode. Translation has revealed that Paik was arguing about forged shipping documents which they were supposed to provide for the Hanso Foundation (or possibly vice versa). Paik warns that they must provide the equipment soon or their friends will become very annoyed (or possibly he will become very angry).

I have developed a paranoid streak when it comes to Lost and no longer take anything at face value... just like Tom "happens" to have a folder (the Others are all just crazy for folders, aren't they, they love to just toss out a dossier, but I digress) for Mike containing copies of receipts that show Mr. Widmore purchased a plane. Which is very convient for conning Michael into working for Ben. But wonder if these papers are the papers Mr. Paik and his associates are talking about? What are the implications then?

Well whatever Paik was talking about with those men in his office happened before the plane crash. Right?

So if the conversation in Paik's office had something to do with the fake wreckage of 815 then does that mean that the real crash of flight 815 was no accident?

I don't think so. I thought the real flight 815 that broke up over the island was caused by Desmond's faliure to push the button in time.

you guys both make good points.

i thought it was weird that Tom just happened to have all these documents that belong to Widmore...the others must spend a fortune on file folders...but it just made me think, how did you guys get a hold of that documentation?

and also it would be true in the timeline that Paik's conversation was before the crash, so could that have been what they were talking about?

10:31 PM

So just to sum up whats going on the last 2 episodes, as far as the crash:
Team Widmore's story: Benjamin Linus faked the wreckage to protect the island. And where did he get the bodies? He had a facility on the island that was capable of killing everyone on it by poisonous gas, and was prepared to use it.
proof: a black box.

Team Other's story: Widmore staged the wreckage to keep the location of the island a secret. Apparently he has somehow found the co-ordinates (the diary auctioned by Hanso Foundation???) and has stationed a freighter near-by with the purpose of killing everyone on the island.
proof: documentation of all the aspects of staging a plane wreck in an oceanic trench. a short video of Widmore beating someone in an alley.

I'm not trying to make any point here, just trying to staighten out all of this in my head. If I were Columbo, I would say neither side's evidence carries water, and more investigation is neccesary. In the mean time, look out for flying bullets!

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

Remember back to the episode D.O.C. where Sun abruptly enters her father's office and Mr. Paik and another man are having an untranslated conversation in Korean?

I have developed a paranoid streak when it comes to Lost and no longer take anything at face value... just like Tom "happens" to have a folder (the Others are all just crazy for folders, aren't they, they love to just toss out a dossier, but I digress) for Mike containing copies of receipts that show Mr. Widmore purchased a plane. Which is very convient for conning Michael into working for Ben. But wonder if these papers are the papers Mr. Paik and his associates are talking about? What are the implications then?

queenbeesteph, I think if Paik's meeting from that episode, (which I haven't seen) is the only one that's not sub-titled, then it was definitely important in relation to the plot of this show! You might be on to something.

Kudos on a sum-up well done, Can o' worms! And therein lies my confusion. I think they both are capable of it.

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I thought the real flight 815 that broke up over the island was caused by Desmond's faliure to push the button in time. - Folie

I see what you are saying. I've read a lot of stuff on this. This seems to be the BIG question in the FATE vs. CHANCE or free will argument. Did the plane simply crash because at the exact moment that Desmond didn't push the button the plane was in the exact right spot, or did Fate (or the island) course-correct because Ben needed a spinal surgeon because Ben needs to protect the island.

And btw - didn't the map that Ben gave to Alex, Karl, and Danielle look a WHOLE lot like the style of map that Daniel and Charlotte used to find the Tempest. So more confusion in that Mr. Widmore and Mr. Linus get their maps from the same place?

I think the plane that carried the LOSTies was sabatoged

whodunit???

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Originally Posted by CanO'Worms

queenbeesteph, I think if Paik's meeting from that episode, (which I haven't seen) is the only one that's not sub-titled, then it was definitely important in relation to the plot of this show! You might be on to something.

If someone posts the season/episode # or title this conversation happened in, I'll rewatch and translate, for now my curiosity is piqued...

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Originally Posted by lostisfreakingawesome

If someone posts the season/episode # or title this conversation happened in, I'll rewatch and translate, for now my curiosity is piqued...

The scene is in episode 18 of season 3 "D.O.C"

It is about halfway through the episode.

Lostpedia summerizes it very briefly by saying:
Sun goes to her father's office. As she approaches her father in a meeting, one of his men is reporting that they have not yet received the fake construction permit. Mr. Paik comments that the Hanso Foundation is upset because the Paik Heavy Industries did not provide them with some equipment.

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Originally Posted by folie a deux

Well whatever Paik was talking about with those men in his office happened before the plane crash. Right?

So if the conversation in Paik's office had something to do with the fake wreckage of 815 then does that mean that the real crash of flight 815 was no accident?

I don't think so. I thought the real flight 815 that broke up over the island was caused by Desmond's faliure to push the button in time.

I think that the plane was already going down. Desmond's failure to hit the button simply caused it to break into three pieces.

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Originally Posted by folie a deux

The scene is in episode 18 of season 3 "D.O.C"

It is about halfway through the episode.

Lostpedia summerizes it very briefly by saying:
Sun goes to her father's office. As she approaches her father in a meeting, one of his men is reporting that they have not yet received the fake construction permit. Mr. Paik comments that the Hanso Foundation is upset because the Paik Heavy Industries did not provide them with some equipment.

right on, yeah, I just rewatched D.O.C. and that sounds about right to me...