I thought for sure it was Whitmore who planted the crash, but after hearing the heli pilot tell his side, it sounds like Ben could have planted it to stop Whitmore from finding the island, Any thoughts? I think it is still up in the air.

It is Whitmore

BTW isnt Whitmore pennys father? im not sure whats going on

Ya Whitmore is Penny's father

Yes Whitmore is Penny's father.. He is also the person who is trying to find the island.. The Freighter and its people are working for Whitmore to get the flight 815 black box.. I believe

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Please don't give up, Des. Because all we really need to survive is one person who truly loves us. And you have her. I will wait for
you. Always. I love you, Pen

DESMOND: I love you, Penny. I've always loved you. I'm so sorry. I love you!
PENNY: I love you too.
DESMOND: I don't know where I am, but--
PENNY: I'll find you, Des--
DESMOND: --I promise--
PENNY: --no matter what--
DESMOND: --I'll come back to you--
PENNY: --I won't give up--
BOTH: I promise. I love you.

I;ve thought all along it's whidmore.
He is the mastermind out to get the island at all costs.

Yea I think Whitmore is the only one with enough money to do something like that. I guess except Sun's daddy

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Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.

Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?

Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

Hurley could afford it

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I'm not too sure Widmore is behind the fake 815 crash, remember how the helicopter pilot whose name I can't think of right at this moment had made a call and said he was suppose to be the pilot on flight 815. And perhaps what information he knew had drawn Widmore attention into finding the real black box. Of course Ben's has eyes on Widmore and learns that Widmore is looking for the real crash site, puts Micheal on the ship. So the freighter does find the real black box and decide to have the helicopter go to the island to find any surviours, lo behold they do find some.
There's got to be some kind of history between Ben and Widmore maybe the girl who Ben was so in love with is related to Widmore and was kidnap with some other family memebers and brought to the island. And Widmore has made it his duty to find the island to find her.
I don't know I'm sure somewhere we'll find out what the deal is between the two evils.

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Standing in the ocean with the sun burning low in the west
Like a fire in the cavernous darkness at the heart of the beast
With my beliefs and possessions, stopped at the frontier in my chest
At the edge of my country, my back to the sea, looking east

Something about it doesn't add up. The captain already has the black box (shown to Des / Sayid in 4.07) and says it took a considerable amount of effort on the part of Widmore to 'procure' it. Why bother salvaging it from the bottom of an ocean trench if he staged the wreckage in the first place? The black box looked pretty beaten up, as I'm sure they're really bright orange to make finding them easier, they're only called 'black boxes' after their inventor. Is it the box from the REAL 815 ? Michael seemed pretty sure Widmore faked it, but it wouldn't be like Ben to lie to him to get what he wanted would it? lol

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Go then, there are other worlds than this.

"So who planted the plane crash? "

1.HANSO the arms peddler funded DHARMA..and had ties to Widmore and Paik.

2.Widmore has motive and means.

3.old man PAIK is in some intenational syndicate ..although HANSO has contacts with him

4.and whatever happened to DHARMA??
They must still have pals off Island???

5. Ben and his stateside pals


6.??????


Hanso Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Hanso Foundation was first mentioned in the Lost season 2 episode "Orientation". After discussing DHARMA Initiative founders Karen and Gerald DeGroot, the orientation film refers to "reclusive Danish industrialist and munitions magnate Alvar Hanso, whose financial backing made their dream of a multi-purpose social science research facility a reality."





Widmore Corporation - Lostpedia

The Widmore Corporation is a conglomerate of companies which have been featured on Lost and in the Lost Experience. It is owned by the Widmore family and appears to have ties to the Hanso Foundation and Paik Heavy Industries.





During the Lost Experience it was revealed that "DHARMA" is an acronym for Department of Heuristics And Research on Material Applications.


The Survivors of the Oceanic flight stumble upon a mysterious hatch that eventually is shown to be part of an elaborate abandoned research facility known as the Dharma Initiative. Throughout several episodes of Lost, aspects of the Dharma Initiative and the fate of its members are revealed. In a damaged film reel, it is revealed that the origins of the Dharma initiative go back to the 1970s when, at the University of Michigan, doctoral candidates Karen and Gerald DeGroot founded the Dharma Initiative with financial backing from the Hanso Foundation. The survivors learn that Dharma brought together "scientists and free thinkers" from around the globe at a "large-scale communal research compound" to conduct research in various disciplines, including meteorology, psychology, parapsychology, zoology, electromagnetism, and a sixth discipline that the film begins to identify as "utopian social-" before being cut off. The complex contains several stations throughout the Island and the exact nature of the facility is shrouded in mystery.


The Lost Experience ARG revealed that the Dharma Initiative set out to find a way to change the "Valenzetti Equation", a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of the world. Thomas Mittelwerk, a member of the Hanso Foundation, later says, however, that "The Dharma Initiative failed".



Dharma Initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The word Dharma comes from a Sanskrit word that literally means "to hold"
The word Dharma means "moral duty" - literally "to hold" a person to his/her purpose.
In Hinduism and Buddhism, dharma is:
In Eastern religion, Dharma (Sanskrit धर्म) means Natural Law or Reality, or the "Way of the Higher Truths".
The principle or law that orders the universe.
Individual conduct in conformity with this principle.
The essential function or nature of a thing.
In Hinduism
Individual obligation with respect to caste, social custom, civil law, and sacred law.
In Buddhism
The body of teachings expounded by the Buddha.
Knowledge of or duty to undertake conduct set forth by the Buddha as a way to enlightenment.
One of the basic, minute elements from which all things are made.
Teaching - the lessons given to the student by the teacher
The Path of the Teaching - the journey of the student that ends ultimately in the alleviation of suffering and/or the undoing of karma
Ultimate Reality - the realization that the most fundamental element of the universe is happiness, bliss, or Nirvana
In Italian the word "dama" (which is pronounced exactly the same as "Dharma") means the board game draughts (or checkers