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OK Mama Cass sang witht he Mamas and Papas

and it made me think of the roles of the mothers

basically dying off during preganacy

and part of the experiments

The fathers in LOST have been less than functional and poor role models

so I was thinking the writers are making a dig at their own presentations about mother and fathers
 
 
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I think its quite obvious,

The island judges the people on the island.
When libby died the island found her to bo "good". Anna Lucia "bad".
So Libby went somewhere else then anna lucia.
In fact she is now seen in "leaque with the good guys" (as Ben continiousely calls his group) appearing like Tom appears.
 
 
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Libby is the one he feels the most guilty for. (and thank goodness for that, I hope to never see Michelle Rodriguez on LOsT again)
He planned on killing Ana Lucia, he had time to prepare himself for it.
But Libby surprised him.
If you watch the scene again you can see it in Michael's face.

When he shoots Ana Lucia he is cold and focused. He is sorry for what he is about to do but he has made up his mind to do it.

Then Libby comes in and his facial expression changes. He is of course shocked and surprised, but also horrified at what he just did.

Anyways thats my two cents.
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Libby is the one he feels the most guilty for. (and thank goodness for that, I hope to never see Michelle Rodriguez on LOsT again)
He planned on killing Ana Lucia, he had time to prepare himself for it.
But Libby surprised him.
If you watch the scene again you can see it in Michael's face.

When he shoots Ana Lucia he is cold and focused. He is sorry for what he is about to do but he has made up his mind to do it.

Then Libby comes in and his facial expression changes. He is of course shocked and surprised, but also horrified at what he just did.

Anyways thats my two cents.
So are you saying is that the factor “guilt” or “emotional discomfort”. Is a requirement for losties to see people they have killed?

That would not explain why Kate sees her stepfather in the form of a horse and in fevering Sawyer. She killed her stepfather with the same determination as Micheal killed Anna Lucia.

Im still on the theorie that Libby, after dead, is judged a “good guy” and is therefore able to appear on and of the island. And Anna Lucia is not a “good guy”
 
 
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So are you saying is that the factor “guilt” or “emotional discomfort”. Is a requirement for losties to see people they have killed?
Nope I'm not saying that at all.

Michael feels extremely guilty for what he did. And this guilt is especially strong for Libby, because him shooting her was a total accident. So IMO it makes sense that she would haunt him more than Ana Lucia. Thats all.
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Im still on the theorie that Libby, after dead, is judged a “good guy” and is therefore able to appear on and of the island. And Anna Lucia is not a “good guy”
Judged by whom? On what grounds are we to call Libby a good one and Ana Lucia, a bad one? I'm only asking since you're saying it's one theory..

Ana Lucia wasn't one of my favorite characters at all and can't say I felt bad about her death. But I think her flashback story allowed plenty of insight on her psychology- she was a cop, ridden with the guilt that she failed twice (couldn't avoid the murder of her partner & her revenge plot lead to loss of job..lots of disillusionment). Consequently, she was extremely anxious about losing control again on the island where she felt the well-being of tallies depended on her. So she seemed despotic and most aggressive but not because she was some monster.
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Judged by whom? On what grounds are we to call Libby a good one and Ana Lucia, a bad one? I'm only asking since you're saying it's one theory..

Ana Lucia wasn't one of my favorite characters at all and can't say I felt bad about her death. But I think her flashback story allowed plenty of insight on her psychology- she was a cop, ridden with the guilt that she failed twice (couldn't avoid the murder of her partner & her revenge plot lead to loss of job..lots of disillusionment). Consequently, she was extremely anxious about losing control again on the island where she felt the well-being of tallies depended on her. So she seemed despotic and most aggressive but not because she was some monster.
Judged by the island...

In my theory the island performs judgement after a triall period witch everyone on the island undergoes. Exept for the people on Ben’s initial list, because these individuals were “good guys” to begin with.

When the phrase comes up that someone “still has work to do” it means that that individual’s trial is not over yet and is therefore not supposed to die yet. ( Jack after falling form the airplane, John’s remarkable fast recovery after a near fatal gun shot, Michael not being able to commit suicide)

My theory popped up after the episode were ekko gets killed by Cerberus. Just before that he latterly is judged by the island who took the form as his brother. The Island gives him the chance to show that he has remorse for his passed crimes. Ekko denies that he has committed any crimes. After that his “brother” reveals to Ekko that he is not his brother and cant be persuaded by the arguments his brother might have felt for.

Judgement: “bad guy” . Trial period over and Cerberus takes him away, contrary to what we have seen before: ceberus looking Ekko in the eye when his trial was not over yet.

Any thoughts on this?
 
 
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Judged by the island...

In my theory the island performs judgement after a triall period witch everyone on the island undergoes. Exept for the people on Ben’s initial list, because these individuals were “good guys” to begin with.

When the phrase comes up that someone “still has work to do” it means that that individual’s trial is not over yet and is therefore not supposed to die yet. ( Jack after falling form the airplane, John’s remarkable fast recovery after a near fatal gun shot, Michael not being able to commit suicide)

My theory popped up after the episode were ekko gets killed by Cerberus. Just before that he latterly is judged by the island who took the form as his brother. The Island gives him the chance to show that he has remorse for his passed crimes. Ekko denies that he has committed any crimes. After that his “brother” reveals to Ekko that he is not his brother and cant be persuaded by the arguments his brother might have felt for.

Judgement: “bad guy” . Trial period over and Cerberus takes him away, contrary to what we have seen before: ceberus looking Ekko in the eye when his trial was not over yet.

Any thoughts on this?
Yeah.

I don't think the island is some God or the LOST narrative, the Bible- 80 episodes we had so far would mean nothing if not the partiality of any judgment cast on a person, especially the ones formed from a single point of view like the moral ones. Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but that's how I see LOST

Sure that dichotomies (ex: backgammon game) & issues like redemption are motifs part of the story. But I think that if all were to come down to some ultimate moral judgment, the show would lose its uniqueness and complexity, and LOST would just turn into some other story in the likes of tens of other pop culture/entertainment items already available.
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Yeah.

I don't think the island is some God or the LOST narrative, the Bible- 80 episodes we had so far would mean nothing if not the partiality of any judgment cast on a person, especially the ones formed from a single point of view like the moral ones. Of course everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but that's how I see LOST

Sure that dichotomies (ex: backgammon game) & issues like redemption are motifs part of the story. But I think that if all were to come down to some ultimate moral judgment, the show would lose its uniqueness and complexity, and LOST would just turn into some other story in the likes of tens of other pop culture/entertainment items already available.


I think it wont be possible anymore for lost to fall down from its pedestal and land between other entertainment series. Even if the end game would be extremely sloppy and unsatisfactory it is still amazing what we have seen so far.

Take us, we are presented to the same dots but we are drawing a whole different picture. Not possible in, among others, prison break, 24, heroes.

One of the reasons I joined this forum is that im wondering what pictures others drew so far and how much they deviate from my own. My best hopes are that I take a glimpse of a picture that feels more right or is logically more coherent then my own.

So… what does your picture look like so far? how did you connect all the dots?

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I don't think Eko was a "bad guy" at all, he just had a different perception of what good is, and it did not follow God's path. I mean look at the extremist Muslims as an example, what they think of as good is completley the opposite to what Americans think of as good. Who's right?
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