Here are three curious pictures from "The Other Woman." Maybe you can help me make something of them!

1) Why is there a "Box Maker" in the Tempest? When do electricity and toxic gas need boxes?

2) Why does DANIEL have a map that looks remarkably like the maps that DANIELLE had? Where would anyone from the outside get a hand-drawn looking map of the island?

3) Does anyone else find it interesting that Harper (Harpie, as in the Tempest) Stanhope has certificates in her house - one of which is a certificate of recognition from the Hanso Foundation, and the other is titled "Experimental Social Psychology Society" ?

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Maybe it has something to do with the "magic box" Ben told Locke about..

Notice too how parts of the map are marked unknown like the blast door map.. Maybe it was something that was in the journal from the BlackRock that Whitmore bought at the auction.. Made copies to help them find their way around???

Maybe it is to show how long she has been on the Island? Hanso helped create Dharma.. Maybe she was one of the Lucky ones Ben talks about that didn't end up in the pit?

Tried to come up with some idea to each question.. I totally didn't notice the certificates on the wall.. Great pics thanks!

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Alright queenbeesteph, I felt it was about time to start talking about backgrounds!
1) I don't even know how a machine like that would make a box, looks like a breaker box to me. maybe that's what it was.
2) maybe the map was copied down from the first mates journal?
3)The barracks of the Dharma initiative were "adopted" by the others so maybe the certificate was left over from them?

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I take it Harper's is a home-office and like almost everyone working in medical field, she has her degrees, certificates etc behind the desk. Gives the patients a secure feeling and multiplies the professional ambiance. My first impression with Harper was that she was either a hostile once (like Richard) or has deeper connections with Hanso that we don't quite know yet. But more importantly I'm thinking it is possible to be Dharma-affiliated and still remain beside Ben. Ben did hate being on the island when he was a child, and he did organize the purge yes, but do his plans/projects stand world apart from what Dharma people wanted once? Do we have any clear answers on that? Harper might be the key here.

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Not sure. Was it seen in the background during a shot or did the camera focus on it specifically? If it was specific shot that the director used then I would say it was definitely important. But if it was just in the background then maybe not.

I also think that this map might have come from the Black Rock Ledger that Widmore bought at the auction. But that would mean that the author of the Ledger would have had to have been on the island. So how did the Ledger get off the island? We know it didn't go aboard the Black Rock

I think Harper having a certificate with the Hanso Foundation logo on it means that she definitely has or had some kind of a relationship with the Hanso Foundation. I don't think that necessarily proves that she was a member of the Dharma Initiative like Horace was, but it's probably a pretty safe bet.
And if she was a member of the Dharma Initiative then why was she spared and Horace wasn't? Ben seemed sadden that Horace was killed in the purge.

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What I have is this:
* The possible date for the purge is 12-21-87
* Hugh McIntyre (on the Jimmy Kimmel show) said that the Hanso Foundation had quit funding the Dharma Initiative in 1987. Some people question if that was really true or not.
* Juliet arrives on the island 9-21-2001
* JUliet talks to Harper for the first time 9-28-2001

So my mystery here is --> Why, if Hanso (who has connections to Widmore) had cut ties with Dharma in 1987, why in 2001 did Harper have a certificate of recognition from Hanso? Especially if Harper has sided with Ben Linus who was responsible for the purge of the Dharma Intiative.

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Hey Queenie... From the looks of the Others inhabiting the barracks, it seems they wanted to keep up appearances as if they were still Dharma, keeping a guy in the Flame, a couple guys in the Swan... etc. Perhaps Harper isn't actually her name, but she was a hostile who took over the persona of an old Dharma person, the real Harper, and that's why she really was a terrible psychiatrist. That's my two cents there.

I don't know what a box maker is, but I shall google the device and see what I can come up with.

Hey CableRunner! Do you mean that Ben and maybe a handful of others (Richard, Isabel, Ethan) wanted to keep up the appearance of Dharma for the sake of all the new people, like Juliet, who Ben's group recruited. I don't think Dharma was ever part of the conversation Juliet had with Richard and Ethan. They were from Mittelos Bioscience. Or do you mean they wanted to keep up appearances for someone else - who?

But why then if connections were cut with Dharma back in 1987 were the food drops from Dharma still happening in 2004? (There is speculation that when Hugh McIntyre said the Hanso Foundation cut the funding of the Dharma Initiative he was lying).

I guess what I'm trying to ask is this--> If Ben has ties to Hanso and Widmore has ties to Hanso, why is it that Ben and Widmore are enemies?

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Hanso funded Dharma..Dhrama may have existed in some form before the funding but needed the cash for this eutopian dream and related paranormal experiments

Hanso gets upset cuz the experiments are too slow and costly so they shut off the funds or somehow Dharma funds itself

What were the food drops? By whom??/

what up queenie... what I'm seeing is this... Ben kills off Dharma.. or whoever the people were that were part of Dharma (warning, opposing timeline of a theory!) and takes the hostiles who looked like old pirates and dresses them up like old dharma people, khakis and turtlenecks and all, but also has disguises of hostiles, which we think is what the whole group USED to be...so he must have been keeping up appearances for somebody. Maybe Ben isn''t interested in the pregnancy problem at all, but he gts Juliette and has her do her stuff so when the inspectors come to see if the Dharma initiative is still doing it's thing, it will get a passing grade.

I don't know about this Hugh Mcintyre, but the way politicians work is this.. they find out about a scandal that heppened to the president (let's say) in 2002, and they immediately come up with letters and e-mails saying they denied the existence of.. I don't know, Waterboarding in late 2001... plausible denialbility... see.

I'm not sure this is correct, but why would Ben go through all that trouble for just Juliette and a few others. it must be to fool those on the outside, or he would never even cared a smidge about keeping anyone in the Swan or the Swan itself.. and the Flame for that matter.