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Originally Posted by Wednighter

I watched it recently.. I have watched it many times.. Mrs. Hawking is telling Desmond that he doesn't marry Penny he walks right out the door.. While the small fact that he did buy the ring the second time around didn't change the fact that he still didn't marry Penny.. He did join the Military.. He did end up on the island..

I think that he did live out the path that was laid out for him even though in Flashes he did have the chance to change everything.. Remember in the bar the second time when he realizes he isn't crazy he had the wrong day.. He tells the bartender that he thinks he made the biggest mistake of his life and he doesn't think its the first time..

The big difference if you ask me about the "Constant" and "Flashes" is the fact that Desmond knows that he is time/mind traveling in the Constant, in Flashes he calls it Déjà vu

RIGHT ON!!!!!

Stuff is changed now that Desmond has been back to his past a few times but when he returns, it is only in his mind that anything has changed. I'm not sure how this affects his actions but I'm not sure it sticks with him over time. Meaning, I don't think that he probably held the phone number in his head for 8 years.

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Originally Posted by kiwi

I don't know, it seems to me Desmond as well as Daniel forgot about the fact that they met in the past. I mean, they didn't recognize each other? That's how I understood the whole thing. So, if you see it my way, Penny doesn't remember now that Desmond asked her for her number back in the past. I'm not sure, though, time traveling theories are always confusing...

I'm all about the "you can't change the past" line of thinking but this topic intrigued me...

What if, when Des got the number and saw Faraday, he did change the past they just didn't remember it right away? I've got a good simile but let me just state I'm not advocating getting blackout drunk to the youngins on here. Its similiar to the memory loss after a night of drinking. When you wake up you can't remember the whole night but if someone, or something, triggers your memory you begin to be able to recall certain events. Basically Des changed the past in 1996 but it didn't create a "new" memory in their 2004 brains. Only when Desmond actually called Penny and Faraday saw the note did they begin to recall the 1996 events. The only way that the past exists is in our memory of it.

But then Des would've known the number whilst all of this was going down on the freighter. But I think he only knew the number after the last time his brain time travelled. I don't think he knew it on the island and on the freighter, talking with Minkowski, etc and simply couldn't remember until the last second there. That doesn't make sense to me. I think that once his 2004 mind left his 1996 body walking away from Penny's place, 1996 Des became oblivious to the whole thing. That is the only way it makes sense to me. I hate time travel.

thats a good theory hazzard, but you get what im saying when I talk about someone triggering your memory right? Even when Penny was on the phone with Desmond she said something about the phone call confirming that she wasn't crazy. Maybe she inadvertanly saw somthing of her fathers dated 12/24/2004 and she was like, "Didn't Desmond say he was going to call me on that day?"

yeah, I am totally with you on the getting drunk, blacking out and having memories come back.

aw, good times.... I try not to think very hard about time travel, it is one of those things that I can't wrap my brain around.

So, wait, Desmond wasn't lying when Penny's father asked him if he had ever served in the military??? I thought he lied because he didn't want to admit that he'd been kicked out and sent to military prison. I'm confused.

So, maybe Widmore was the one who gave Desmond the idea to join the military? How funny is that? Desmond allows Widmore to change his whole life because Widmore doesn't think much of Desmond, but Desmond apparently thinks the world of Widmore. Sad, really.

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Originally Posted by Wednighter

While the small fact that he did buy the ring the second time around didn't change the fact that he still didn't marry Penny.. He did join the Military..

I interpreted Penny saying "so I'm not crazy"" or whatever simply to mean that she had been searching for Desmond for 3 years and for 3 years everyone had been telling her that Desmond was dead and to get on with her life.

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Originally Posted by iamjohnlocke

thats a good theory hazzard, but you get what im saying when I talk about someone triggering your memory right? Even when Penny was on the phone with Desmond she said something about the phone call confirming that she wasn't crazy. Maybe she inadvertanly saw somthing of her fathers dated 12/24/2004 and she was like, "Didn't Desmond say he was going to call me on that day?"

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Originally Posted by Lost in Hazzard

yeah, I am totally with you on the getting drunk, blacking out and having memories come back.

aw, good times.... I try not to think very hard about time travel, it is one of those things that I can't wrap my brain around.

Yea Unfortunatly I have been there and done that too (many times.. LOL)

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Originally Posted by chickenpotpiesarehot

So, wait, Desmond wasn't lying when Penny's father asked him if he had ever served in the military??? I thought he lied because he didn't want to admit that he'd been kicked out and sent to military prison. I'm confused.

So, maybe Widmore was the one who gave Desmond the idea to join the military? How funny is that? Desmond allows Widmore to change his whole life because Widmore doesn't think much of Desmond, but Desmond apparently thinks the world of Widmore. Sad, really.

Right I don't think that Des was lying to Mr Whitmore in Flashes about being in the military since it had not happened yet.. He joined after he didn't ask Penny to marry him the second time.. My guess he wanted to do something great in the military and instead was kicked out.. That is why when she meets him at the stadium he has to join the boat race... He feels he still needs to do something "GREAT" to be worthy of Penny since according to Whitmore he is not worthy of drinking his whiskey and not worthy of marrying his daughter..