You CAN change the future - Page 4

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I think the argument I made above would be the very argument Mrs. Hawking (and a 1996 Daniel who believes you "can't change the future.") would make... a persuasive argument to try and convince you that cannot escape your fate, therefore do not strive to overcome it, just settle in and accept it - with no regards to happiness, hope, love, etc.. Obedience is key.

Your theory is what Desmond (through trial & error), I'm sure, has come to believe. Desmond is battling to change his fate, but fate does not go gentle into that good night, but rages, rages, against poor Desmond - in the form of Charles Widmore.
(I have a secret feeling the REAL constant in the sea of variables in both Daniel's equation and the Valenzetti Equation is going to end up being LOVE, and that is going to end up being what can change the equations).

I do agree with you that if you can't change anything then the idea of time travel is superfluous and I think that was a major struggle of Dharma - you could either change yourself right out of existance or you couldn't change anything. (I'm not sure which the show is going to go with)

One final note: I never did truly believe Mrs. Hawking, nor do I believe Thomas Mittelwerk's above statement about not solving the Valenzetti Equation.

I like your thoughts. I agree that Mrs. Hawking seems like she was trying to get Desmond to believe her, but for some reason I wasn't convinced she was telling the truth.

"You Can't Change The Future"
-Daniel Faraday

Need I say more? I think this line was put in for a reason. Think in a writers point of view. If you wanted to make sure your readers (Or watchers) wanted to know that time traveling won't change the future then what would you do? Stick a line in there that says "You Can't Change The Future".

Maybe my closed minded point of view is because I read the Hitch Hikers trilogy and I believe in this course correcting stuff.

How Daniel got that written down doesn't really matter. What matters is you can't change the future.

Feel free to argue with me.

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You Can't Change The Future"
-Daniel Faraday

Need I say more? I think this line was put in for a reason. Think in a writers point of view. If you wanted to make sure your readers (Or watchers) wanted to know that time traveling won't change the future then what would you do? Stick a line in there that says "You Can't Change The Future".

Treebeard - in light of your statement above, how do you respond to Flaneuse's very well worded argument below?

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But, don't you think that it would defy the whole purpose of time traveling and render it superfluous? Why bother one self with all that life-risking temporal hiccup if there would be no change or only to an insignificant degree? A difference that doesn't make a difference is not a difference Yet the notion of change entails difference in time & space, right?

Also consider this, is not everything in flux, motion and thus, change? Say, one is not doing a single thing different when living through the same past or future more than once- how are we to know that some change outside the grasp of our immediate sensory perceptions is not taking place? I guess I'm tending towards the idea that nature does have a way of course-correcting, but such correction already implies that time travel can change the past and future.

Oh and by the way, I've read the Hitchhiker's trilogy, too. In fact, I own it! It's pretty good, huh?!

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Maybe my closed minded point of view is because I read the Hitch Hikers trilogy and I believe in this course correcting stuff.

12:57 PM

There is some good stuff here, but I don't think that time travel will be a foundation of the show... the driving force of all of this is the characters. As good as last week's episode was the best part (and the most emotional thing I've seen on TV ever) was when Desmond finally talked to Penny. The way it was built up, the 8 year lapse, the music, that's what the show is, and let's not forget that that's what keeps us coming back. Google 'JJ Abrams Magic Box' to hear JJ Abrams talk about this very subject

With that being said... let's focus on the other good mystical stuff that we also love...

I think that Daniel meant that you can't change YOUR future. Des' gets dishonorably discharged from the Royal Scots. But what if it wasn't for going AWOL the first time? But now that he went back and went to Oxford to deal with this he gets discharged for that instead. It's a course-correction effect. So Des will end up right where he should be. But it seems as though Daniel did change, he learned the correct numbers to the experiment before he typically would have, and he adds the note about the constant to his notebook. I'm rambling now so I'll stop...