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Old February 11th, 2008, 10:22 PM

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I beleive ben comes and goes as he pleases from the island. The picture is hard to work out where ti taken but it looks like it defineatly off island.
 
 
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I don't think Ben would need to leave the island because he has so many people under him and he is so manipulative. He obviously has a bond to the island and I doubt he would want to jeopardize it
Yes, but there all dead, he now has no one under his control, thats why hes trying to convince everyone aoutt higns, well except his inside man.
 
 
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Locke's vision was not a glimpse of the future but a metaphorical situation, it was not meant to be taken literally. Boone was a guide, he was meant to show Locke that Eko was injured in the polar bear cave, and tell Locke he needed to clean up his mess. (i.e. causing the swan hatch to implode)
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Yes, but there all dead, he now has no one under his control, thats why hes trying to convince everyone aoutt higns, well except his inside man.
Who is dead? Could you be a little more specific? Are you saying that the others are dead? The last time I heard they are at the Temple.
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Who is dead? Could you be a little more specific? Are you saying that the others are dead? The last time I heard they are at the Temple.
Oh, yes, some are dead, I just forgot some of the storyline.
 
 
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The vision indeed is a metaphor. For instance: Ben being the custums agent who's searching Jack, kate and Sawyer is the metaphor for him holding the three as prisoners on the work island
 
 
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Ok this thread got me thinking about Further Instructions and Locke's Vision.. Here is something I kinda found intresting..

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Boone then escorts Locke, confined to the wheelchair, through an airport, saying that someone in the airport needs his help. Charlie, Claire and Aaron are "fine, for awhile", and appear to be a family in the vision. He sees Jin and Sun arguing, but Boone says that Sayid can handle it. Hurley is behind the counter of the ticket agency, entering the Numbers into a computer. Desmond is as a pilot and has three attractive flight attendants following him down the escalator, to which Boone responds "he's helping himself."

Kate and Sawyer are bantering in the waiting line at the scanners, while Jack is being scanned with a hand-held metal detector (which emits the beep of the computer timer in the Hatch) by Ben. Boone says that Locke "can't help them, at least not yet." Boone says, "first you have to clean up your own mess." Locke is seen looking up at an empty escalator, then Locke rides to the top of the escalator and finds blood all over Mr. Eko's stick. Locke looks at his hand full of blood and then back up to Boone, who is bloody as seen in the dream in Deus Ex Machina, saying "clean it up John, they've got him, you don't have much time." John awakens in his sweat lodge when he is about to exit when a quick flash of a polar bear appears coming out of the fire. John jumps out of the sweat lodge with Charlie looking on.

In the airport in the vision: What if the people in the vision are
connected to the ones who die and who get off the island..


Jack- Oceanic 6
Kate- Oceanic 6
Sawyer- Dare I say it be killed (prediction if it works)
Hurley- Oceanic 6- away from the group
Desmond- Gets off the Island at least to the freighter
Ben- Gets off the Island- Is Sayid's Boss in FF
Sayid- Oceanic 6- Works for Ben as a hit man
Claire- Might end up killed-- Kate has Aaron?? (could work for this)
Charlie- RIP
Aaron- Off the island with Kate

Sorry this thread just got me thinking and it kinda works.. Let me know
what ya think.. Of course I its not perfect or all happened just thought it was kinda intresting the parallels
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did ben really imagine this whole world up?
 
 
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In the airport in the vision: What if the people in the vision are
connected to the ones who die and who get off the island..


Jack- Oceanic 6
Kate- Oceanic 6
Sawyer- Dare I say it be killed (prediction if it works)
Hurley- Oceanic 6- away from the group
Desmond- Gets off the Island at least to the freighter
Ben- Gets off the Island- Is Sayid's Boss in FF
Sayid- Oceanic 6- Works for Ben as a hit man
Claire- Might end up killed-- Kate has Aaron?? (could work for this)
Charlie- RIP
Aaron- Off the island with Kate

Sorry this thread just got me thinking and it kinda works.. Let me know
what ya think.. Of course I its not perfect or all happened just thought it was kinda intresting the parallels
Hey Wednighter! According to your thought here, using ONLY the vision, what is your criteria for determining who is an O6 and who is not? I'm interested in this. I've always thought that scene was super important.
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Well to be honest what I was thinking when I did the post is anyone in the vision who does not get off the island will sadly be killed off.. That is how I came to this, so far espically this far into season 4 seems plausible..

Jack- Oceanic 6
Kate- Oceanic 6
Hurley- Oceanic 6
Aaron- Oceanic 6
Sayid- Oceanic 6- Works for Ben as a hit man
Sun- Oceanic 6

Desmond- Gets off the Island at least to the freighter

Jin- Left behind or Killed
Sawyer- Dare I say it be killed (prediction if it works)
Claire- Might end up killed-- Kate has Aaron
Charlie- RIP

I am not sure how it works out or how the 6 are chosen, it just seemed to stick out in my mind that Locke's Vision, showed these folks, most of which were far from the hatch when it imploded.. the only ones I don't believe where included were Michael & Walt, but they got to go home.. I just fear for Jin, Sawyer and Claire now since they are the 3 left.. So far it has really seemed that there is a connection. Was hoping maybe somemore peeps would have their 2cents to through into it.. See what we can come up with!
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