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4x02 - Confirmed Dead Airdate: February 7, 2008

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I think I was on to something with the Narnia/LOST comparisons earlier...

From the latest podcast summary on longlivelocke.blogspot.com:
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They intentionally named Charlotte "Charlotte Staples Lewis" as a shout-out to C.S. Lewis. Additionally, "There are themes in the Narnia chronicles that are very relevant for Lost." They went on to say that, like Narnia, The Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland are all stories that "are on the other side of Earth. They are not fantasy realms like in Star Wars...Narnia is actually connected to the world that we know, as is Oz, as is Wonderland. As is our Island."
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The Mr. Lapidus in Sleeper survives being struck by lightning. (Naomi explains that the helicopter was struck by lightning while Lapidus was piloting it--hmmmm--interesting!) It's clearly a reference to the Lazarus in the New Testament whom Jesus woke from the dead, like I said in a recent post about Lapidus/the stone called 'lapus lazuli'/Lazarus from the Bible.

>Wikipedia entry for 'Lapis lazuli"
>Lapis is the Latin for 'stone' and lazuli the genitive form of the Medieval >Latin lazulum, which is from the Arabic lāzaward, which is ultimately from >the Persian لاژورد lajward, the name of a place where lapis lazuli was >mined.[4]

I'm pretty sure that "Lazaward" means "Place of Lazarus" in Arabic, which I'm studying now. I could be wrong. Also, lapis is a stone that was used in healing rituals by ancient peoples, hence the association with Lazarus.



I'm wondering now if the man Lapidus sees in the Flight 815 at the bottom of the ocean is actually HIMSELF, Frank Lapidus!! He is so certain that the body is not Seth Whatshisface, the supposed pilot of Flight 815 that day. How can he be so certain in his bones that this is true? It's a corpse and the TV camera doesn't stay on the corpse's face for long. He's certain it's not Seth because the body is too familiar to him, though he doesn't know why just yet. It hasn't sunk in that the body is himself. Creepy! He just knows that something weird is going on.

Frank Lapidus in Lost is like Biblical Lazarus because they both should be dead but got a second chance. Obviously Lapidus should be dead because he was supposed to be the pilot of 815 but he wasn't.

But that interpretation is too superficial for me. I think more is going on. I think Frank Lapidus lives in more than 1 timeline simultaneousl There are actually at least 3 timelines here! 1.) The one where Seth Whatshisface was killed by the smoke monster on the island. 2.) The dead pilot at the bottom of the ocean is another timeline. 3.) The Frank Lapidus who recognizes the body as NOT being Seth Whatshisface is a third timeline.

But, you say, two timelines are overlapping (2 & 3). How can this be? (Well, we know that there are Lostie bodies at the bottom of the Sunda Trench AND living Lostie bodies walking around on the island--How can THAT be???) Maybe Seth can time-travel like Desmond but he can't control it and isn't aware of it yet? Maybe he was part of DHARMA? Naiomi thought he was a drunk and a loser and totally unsuitable for such an important mission. Why hire him? There MUST be more to Lapidus than what we've seen.

Anyway, whether I am 100% right about my theory above, I don't know. But I do feel very strongly that the name Lapidus is a clue to us that Frank has either been physically or symbolically resurrected.

There have been SO MANY other allusions to the Bible in Lost, why choose the name Lapidus if it is not connected to Lazarus? It's not like Lapidus is a common name...

Lastly, if Lapidus represents Lazarus who is Jesus? DHARMA maybe? Ben?



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Lapidus: The name Lapidus may be a reference to the movie Sleeper, in which one character says "Then I would talk like Mr. Lapidus, who got hit by lightning." Sleeper is about a man who wakes up after being frozen in liquid nitrogen for 200 years. "Lapidus," literally translated from Hebrew, means "candles," or "torches."
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Is this alternate reality lost game crucial to understanding the show? I havent been following that in the least bit- am I missing a lot?
 
 
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The first one "The Lost Experience" was promoted as not essential to watching the show (if my failing memory doesn't fail me, but it had great background stuff! I love it!) The second ARG - "Find815" - has actually had show crossover with the mention of the Christiane I finding the plane in the Sunda Trench.
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Lapidus is not in the alternative reality game. He's one of the four new characters who may have come to the island to rescue everyone, to kill everyone, or for something else entirely. We don't know yet.



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Lapidus is not in the alternative reality game. He's one of the four new characters who may have come to the island to rescue everyone, to kill everyone, or for something else entirely. We don't know yet.
Oh, yeah, I know who he is- the Helicopter pilot who was supposed to fly O815. I just didnt know if I was missing crucial parts of the puzzle which is LOST by not following the game.
 
 
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