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3x22 + 3x23 - Through the Looking Glass Airdate: May 23, 2007

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Old May 27th, 2007, 01:11 AM

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Wow!--Now that is a good catch! I'm going to look for it right now... It must have been intentional, right? I know there has been talk that we should pay attention to anachronisms, that it is very possible that the Losties sense of time after the crash has become very very skewed. Hmmmm.... Interesting.



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I like your assessment

one minor detail

There was a sign at the hospital that says"Break the curse" meaning the Red Sox curse

and I think the Sox curse thing was in season #1 also???

LOSTies crashed 9/22/04

Red Sox won 10/27/04

so its possible that Jack is in the days before 10/27/04
which is NOT possible cuz the Losties have been patrolling paradise
over 100 days and have NOT left the Island

UNLESS Jack has been back and forth???
or someone forgot to take the sign down{not likely as its the BIGGEST event in sports history..I do admit my bias}

"10/27/04 the night HELL froze over!"

is a T shirt sold that yr
 
 
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Now I read that 'catch" at the ABC forum{was gonna cal it the other place but ..ha ha }

so it does need to be confirmed by a re watch

but the poster at ABC forum seems reliable

so whadda ya say????

ABC.com - Message Boards

now this is ABC thread of topic

I found some confusion

some say plane crashed in 2003 and Sox won in 2005

Well the plane crashed in 9/22/04
Sox won 10/27/04 its still wortha read cuz the
"Break the Curse" topic is mentioned

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I know that Jack took some pills because he was injured in the car crash on the bridge. But do you suppose that he started drinking because he felt "out of sync" with time in the real world, his body had become used to island time? Maybe the Kate and everyone else adjusted better than Jack.
 
 
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IF the falshforward is reality

I would say Jack has a SEVERE case of PTSD trauma worse than others
He was tortured
forced to do an operation
mercy killed Libby

saw death of many

combat medics often have undiagnosed PTSD
and Jack may be self medicating for many reasons including guilt powerless to help others...

"Maybe the Kate and everyone else adjusted better than Jack."

MAYBE cuz he was the Doc who failed the good sheperd who LOST his flock??????
 
 
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[quote=dbeach;30255]IF the falshforward is reality

I would say Jack has a SEVERE case of PTSD trauma worse than others
He was tortured
forced to do an operation
mercy killed Libby


When was Jack tortured? (Also he tried really hard to save Boone and the marshall who had captured Kate, so that MUST have compounded the PTSD.
 
 
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"When was Jack tortured"

Benzo and the jets caged him..I think????

it just seems he got tortured??

whatever he definitley gots PTSD and so do all the survivors IMO

I suppose watching Kate get..AHEM ...musta been torture!!
 
 
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What is the deal with that crazy sign in the hospital? That HAS to be SOMETHING!!!!(a clue?)
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I did NOT rewatch the epi

I also think the curse sign is in season #1

"That HAS to be SOMETHING!!!!(a clue?)"

I think Clue also

??

Miracles Happen???

Sox WON!

LOSTies Survived!!!

The Island energy needed the Good Sheperd as the Doc to save Benzo who was the ardent protector of the Island

Miracles do happen in real life and sometimes are less obvious
until you look back!

so any thing can happen to the Culluloid Heros/Heroines

What is gonna happen is some of the fun of getting there.
 
 
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Ok, the island needed Jack to save Ben. I can agree with that. But I think the island needed all of the Losties (for whatever reason) and they all needed the island (for whatever reason). It's not like the island needed Jack and everybody else is there because--sucks to be them--they just happened to be on the same plane.


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I did NOT rewatch the epi

I also think the curse sign is in season #1

"That HAS to be SOMETHING!!!!(a clue?)"

I think Clue also

??

Miracles Happen???

Sox WON!

LOSTies Survived!!!

The Island energy needed the Good Sheperd as the Doc to save Benzo who was the ardent protector of the Island

Miracles do happen in real life and sometimes are less obvious
until you look back!

so any thing can happen to the Culluloid Heros/Heroines

What is gonna happen is some of the fun of getting there.
 
 
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"Ok, the island needed Jack to save Ben. I can agree with that. But I think the island needed all of the Losties (for whatever reason) and they all needed the island (for whatever reason). It's not like the island needed Jack and everybody >>"

The Island needed Jack but wanted Locke

everyone on the plane has a specific role for the Island from Clare
to Bernard the dentist

Redemption forgiveness and rising to the occasion which is what Charlie did by his death

every door opens to the next
each with different possibilities for redemption Hero/Heroine status

Charlie went from Everyman status to rockstardom

from whining junkie to Hero { although it appears his death may cause multiple MORE deaths ..Des lived cuz of Charlie and we look for Clare and Aoran to leave safely}
 
 
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