What Jack Was Taking - Page 2

11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wednighter

Charlie what book are you reading?

Quietus, by Vivian Schilling.

Basically, four people survive a private plane crash. The main character remembers that, although she was supposedly trapped in the wreckage, she also wandered around the frozen woods and spoke with one of the dead passengers. After recovering from her injuries she starts having thoughts that she and the other survivors were supposed to have died in the crash--not lived.

Schilling puts forth the argument that those near-death experiences (where an angel or a dead loved one comes and takes you away peacefuilly with no pain toward a bright light) are actually something else. Something far more sinister.

Those "angels" are actually the souls of the damned. They have been condemned to take on and personally experience the pain of the dying person, over and over again throughout all eternity, so the souls of the believers can experience their deaths without pain.

And the plot of the book is that she (the main character) was supposed to have died. But no one believes her.

Side plots involve the main character's husband, who starts a downward spiral, drinking and gambling away all their money; her best friend who is so afraid she was supposed to die that she hypers herself into a massive stroke and coronary; one of the lawyers on the plane commits suicide. Best friend's husband was blinded during the crash, he's an artist and battles depression and fears his wife is working herself up to commit suicide.

It's an interesting novel.

Especially when you find out there is a connection between the main character and her 'Angel of Death.'

Sounds really good might have to go check that one out.... Thanks

Jack the good sheperd has a dope jones

WHY..
Suvivors guilt from witnessing trauma???

abuse by torture??as in he was a POW

dope is only 10 % of his problem

MOST is his >>>>>?

<<<<<<< anxiety for having left a real Shambala in the hands of a ruthless multicorporation.

Trust me, we have seen nothing between the phone call and Jack in the 'future'.

"<<<<<<< anxiety for having left a real Shambala in the hands of a ruthless multicorporation."

nice!

expand on this please:

"Trust me, we have seen nothing between the phone call and Jack in the 'future'."

11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbeach

"<<<<<<< anxiety for having left a real Shambala in the hands of a ruthless multicorporation."

nice!

expand on this please:

"Trust me, we have seen nothing between the phone call and Jack in the 'future'."

Well...they haven't actually been saved or rescued...yet. Jack has only made the call.

They still have to fill in the space between the rescue call and the "flash-forward" where Jack is back in California wishing he had never left the island.

Lots of things could happen.

For example, Locke could shoot some holes in the helicopter and bring it down. Or start a guerrilla war against the rescuers.

Or the people on the boat could really be what Ben has said, bad guys who want to kill everyone on the island.

Or Jacob (or the smoke monster) could do something to stop the rescue.

Lots of things...

"Or the people on the boat could really be what Ben has said, bad guys who want to kill everyone on the island."

and Benzo helps lead /co-lead the resistance to the Dharma or Hanso or whoever the "bad guys" are thus forging the alliance with the Islanders

yeah, i think ben was telling the truth about the boat. it will be the losties and the others against the corporation next season!!

also i think it is micheal in the coffin, because jack knows he is the only one that can get back to the island.

seen as him and walt got off it and judging by that episode they came back [well walt at least]

I really believe a big reason why survivors have a hard time transitioning back to a normal life is because they miss the emotional intimacy and sense family they got from others who shared that experience with them.

I can tell you I definitely felt lonely after completing a month-long kayaking course in Arctic Alaska. You really really miss the other people who shared that intensity w/you and, for a while, you feel like everybody else just doesn't get you. They can't. That feeling has to be magnified by like...1000 after a plane crash.

Jack had no strong connections w/anyone at the time of the crash. Once they get rescued and everyone resumes their old life, Jack has nothing. As a surgeon, he needs to be the center of attention, the fixer. His perception of reality has to be all screwed up too because of the drugs, so makes a lot of sense that he would see returning to the island as a matter of life or death for every one from flight 815. What else does he have to fix?

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Originally Posted by charlie98210

I think that the use of the phone Jack had places the flash-forward either in our present, or a little further forward in time.

I've just finished reading a book about some people who survive a plane crash and the writer makes the point that most of these people, the ones who survive while quite a few others with them are killed, or have to survive on their own for a period of time, can't make the transition back to normal once they are rescued.

It's like they have become addicted to the adrenalin rush they were experiencing in their life-or-death situation and the letdown of being safe is too much for them to accept. They also seem to have built-up a picture in their minds that they were supposed to have survived "for a reason." Going back to being an ordinary, nobody special, can bring on a suicidal depression.

In fact, the author commented that 60% of people who have survived plane crashes kill themselves within a year of the incident.

I think that's what was happening to Jack. Plus, I think he mimicked his father's tendencies toward alchohol (he was drinking alot in the pilot episode and in the flashback to the airport bar where he met Ana Lucia).

03:20 AM

I like your assessment

one minor detail

There was a sign at the hospital that says"Break the curse" meaning the Red Sox curse

and I think the Sox curse thing was in season #1 also???

LOSTies crashed 9/22/04

Red Sox won 10/27/04

so its possible that Jack is in the days before 10/27/04
which is NOT possible cuz the Losties have been patrolling paradise
over 100 days and have NOT left the Island

UNLESS Jack has been back and forth???
or someone forgot to take the sign down{not likely as its the BIGGEST event in sports history..I do admit my bias}

"10/27/04 the night HELL froze over!"

is a T shirt sold that yr

"yeah, i think ben was telling the truth about the boat. it will be the losties and the others against the corporation next season!!"

the Islanders against the corporats

"seen as him and walt got off it and judging by that episode they came back [well walt at least]"

Walt ...MAYBE another Isalnd vision or hallucination or ghost{not likeley}

Or He's BAAACK!