Who was in the coffin? - Page 15

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Originally Posted by Pipinowns

Unfortunately the producers said the newspaper was unreliable and they were rewriting it.

Really!!! I had not heard that!!! Sorry to always ask but where did you hear that? Would like to see what else was said...
Thanks

I don't remember. It was awhile back.

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Originally Posted by VBKatLou

I just finished watching the entire season 3 episodes. Now that we're beginning to see previews from season 4, I'm thinking the coffin may be of a character we've yet to meet.

As far as the flash-forwards, it might be that these are things that occur in season 5.

Thank you. This makes absolute sense.

As viewed from above, the casket looks shorter than otherwise normal.

Since Walt is now grown to adultish stature, I am wondering if it is one of the children that have been abducted.

An even more outlandish stretch is that it is the child of Juliette's sister... for some unknown reason. Do we know if Juliette' parents or any relatives are still living?

Sigh I give up on this thread.

05:51 AM

Rewatching the 3rd season, I really realized how many times the Others have killed or used violence, often against their own. A bunch of examples that come to mind:

Ben murders his father. The Dharma Initiative is exterminated almost like a genocide and dumped in a communal shallow grave. Richard Alpert somehow gets a bus to run over Juliette's ex-husband! Goodwin killed that dude from Canada. Ethan killed Scott(1.) Ethan kidnaps Claire and keeps her drugged for a week(2.) Ethan tried to kill Charlie--and technically, for a few minutes, he did! Ben and his henchmen brainwashed Karl old-skool/_A Clockwork Orange_-style when he could have just kept him in the cage or...hey, even TALKED to him.

Juliette plotted to kill Ben. Ben forced Michael to kill AnaLucia and Libby(3.). Pickett tazered Sawyer a whole bunch o' times. Pickett beat the stuffing out of Sawyer and was about to kill him when he was interrupted. Juliette killed Pickett(4.). The Sheriff and the Others all agree that Juliette should be BRANDED as punishment, though the initial impulse was for her execution. Branding is a totally BARBARIC act for people who consider themselves enlightened and "The Good Guys." Ben and the Others force Locke and Sawyer to kill Anthony Cooper(5.). The Others orchestrate a car crash somewhere in the real world in order to kidnap Cooper and bring him to the island solely for the purpose of tempting Locke to kill him. Ben orders his henchmen to kill any Losties who get in the way of their kidnapping the pregnant women--odd considering they have canisters of gas they could use to just knock everyone out. Ben orders Greta and Bonnie to kill Mikhail. Ben orders Mikhail to kill Charlie, Greta, and Bonnie. Mikhail succeeds in killing Bonnie (shooting her in the back--oooh cowardly!) and Greta before killing himself (maybe???) and Charlie.

--PotPie

(1.) What difference does it make if he had orders or not? He's still an Other killing someone.

(2.) Why couldn't he just tell her what was going on and that her baby was at risk? He didn't have to reveal everything. He could have said that there was hazardous material dumped on the island and that she needed special shots to protect the baby. Why put a pregnant alone mother-to-be through those horrible nightmares? In fact, a whole lot of violence could have been avoided if the Others had just explained what was going on. It wouldn't have been an interesting show for us to watch then, I know, but still...

(3.) Sure, Ben might not have known exactly _which_ Lostie(s) would die once he gave Michael the ultimatum, but he certainly knew that bad stuff was gonna go down; they had whole dossiers on everyone AND they were monitoring the Losties pretty closely after the crash. Also, Ben didn't try to make sure no one got hurt because of Michael. Had Michael had 3 or 4 other Others to back him up, they could have released Ben and gotten a headstart back to the barracks without having to kill anyone.

(4.) Again, whether Juliette killed Pickett because of Ben's orders or not is immaterial. Either way it's still Others killing Others. And don't nobody make the argument that she did it to save Ben. PUH-LEEEZE!--She did it to make sure Ben was alive to get her off the island.

(5.) Yeah, Sawyer did the actual killing but Locke is culpable too, obviously. They were in a situation set up specifically to tempt them to kill him. A situation that real life outside the island would have NEVER provided. Dangling a carrot in front of a couple mules is one thing, but dangling a chocolate covered, mint chocolate chip, sprinkled, caramel carrot an inch away from their mouths is another.

How could either resist that temptation??? They couldn't and it's totally ridiculous to expect that they should have. Cooper was the central figure in their lives. Not a father figure in the traditional "Let's play catch in the backyard, Tiger!"/_Father Knows Best_ sort of way, but absolutely the most powerful male figure in either of their lives and the DEFINING relationship of their identities. Everything they do and think, every relationship they have...EVERY relationship, decades later is colored by the emotional and physical abuse Cooper inflicted on them.

And anyway, with all those other minor Others standing around just waiting for Locke to kill Cooper while he was chained to the tree...well, if they are all so "good" you would think that at least one person would step in and say "Hey! Wait a minute, maybe we shouldn't encourage this...," right?

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Originally Posted by Pipinowns

The Losties are worse then the others. The LOSTIES have killed so many of the others. The others have only killed 2 Losties. Charlie and Scott. Ethan was not following order by killing Scott. So technically the others have only killed 1 Losty which is Charlie.

Nice way to sum it all up CPPAH.. Cheers to you the Others have definatly been violent though the first 3 seasons of the show..

GREAT JOB!!!!!!

If Lockes father didn't die then that would be really bad.

I'd try and right a long response to that but things like "He Tazed Sawyer a bunch of times" and "Richard ran over Juliet's Husband" just left me speechless. Also "Ben Forced Michael to kill Ana Lucia and Libby" would make give my post about 12 swear words.

lets talk about some cold blooded murder. Losties Vs. Others.

Others:

Ethan > Scott
Goodwin > Canada Guy
Mikhail > Charlie

LOSTIES :

Charlie > Ethan
Jin > 1 Other
Jin > 1 Other
Sayid and Bernard > 1 Other
Sayid and Bernard > 1 Other
Sayid and Bernard > 1 Other
Sayid and Bernard > 1 Other
Sayid and Bernard > 1 Other
Sayid > Killed another Other with his legs
Juliet > Picket
(Juliet wanted to get off the island more than anything else which makes her one of them according to Jack and hes right.)
Hurley > 1 Other
Sawyer > Tom
Ana > Goodwin
Sun > Colleen

I think theres more I don't remember though. This isn't including home many Losties have killed each other or the barbaric things they have done.

Pip, who started the killings and/or kidnappings, assaults?

I think the Losties did theirs in response.

you listed all those deaths as cold blooded murder.

I would beg to differ with you, though. Not all homicides are murders, and certainly not "cold blooded murder".

Charlie--- Ethan.... debatable, but since he deserved it and there are no jails AND ethan had already committed attempted murder along with kidnapping, I can't say it was coldblooded murder. Besides it was way cool. Charlie's "greatest hit." lol.

Hurley's homicide.... definitely not murder. It was too cool and funny to be called murder. Besides, it was a necessary killing.

all the beach killings..... they didn't ask for the others to hatch a plan to kidnap their women for God only knows what reasons. If I was to find out someone was coming to kidnap my wife and daughter, I'd lay a trap too and kill every one of them. these were justifyable homicides.

Sawyer killing Locke's Dad he had it coming. for a long time. he earned it. he deserved it. and sawyer delivered it. again, no jail. he was guilty of murder back in America, he could never be trusted if he wasn't killed, and it needed to be done.
Besides, it was one of the most anticipated, satisfying moments on the show for me when Sawyer choked the life out of him.

Sawyer's killing of others- they all got it coming.

It will be bittersweet when the master of disaster Ben dies. I'm not sure who I want it to be that kills him. I can just taste his death. hope he suffers. hope he knows its coming and tries to wiggle out of it.

remember in A View to a Kill when Zorin is slipping off the Golden Gate Bridge and he realizes he is about to die? he gives one more twisted chuckle before falling to his death.

I want Ben to get one more twisted, psychotic opportunity to freak out the Losties (and us) just before he dies. but, once he is gone, I will miss him like a family member.

*****
of course, if we find out that Ben and Company really "are the good guys", then I have to rethink all of this........ except for Sawyer choking to death Locke's dad. that was purely awesome.

Lockes dad needed to die because Ben and Richard say so. The show is leading to them becoming the good guys. So people are gonna have to change there view eventually.

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Originally Posted by Pipinowns

Lockes dad needed to die because Ben and Richard say so. The show is leading to them becoming the good guys. So people are gonna have to change there view eventually.

I wouldn't go so far as saying the Others are "becoming the good guys". More so that there will be a truce of mutual benefit between the Others and the Losties. With a new group of adversaries entering the fray, the Losties will initially adopt the maxim "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" until they come to realize that it's not true in this case and the maxim "the Devil you know" is more apropos.

Just my opinion.