Why did you have to say that? Now i am tempted to know. Thanks for not saying who it was though.

Well, before season 4 ends, either Saiyd or Micheal dies. So is Micheal the same person "John Latham"?

>[quote=Pipinowns;34019]i only read to page 6 and I am shocked >how wrong some can be. Ben would die before leaving the island. >Ben would seriously stick a gun in his mouth and pull the trigger >before ever even thinking about getting off the island. IT IS NOT >BEN. [snip]

>Rose or Bernard - Jack wouldn't give a rats hat about either of this >horrible people.

Hunh? Why do you call Rose & Bernard horrible people? Bernard risked his life staying behind to blow up the tents with Jin and Sayid. He's a big hero and will be treated as such by the Losties at the beginning of Season 4. Why would Jack not give a rat's hat about him?

I agree with you that it won't be either of them in the coffin, but for different reasons. 1.) Kate would never respond "Why would I go to THAT funeral?" in such an angry and disbelieving tone if the funeral were for Rose or Berhard. 2.) If it were for Rose (maybe makes sense since once off the island her cancer will come back), Jack would have seen Bernard there. If it were Bernard, Jack would have seen Rose there. There was only one coffin, not two. And, most importantly, 3.) Rose and Bernard have sworn never to leave the island so that she can survive her cancer. If they have their way the two of them will be inviting Locke over to their tarp for a fish and mango dinner 35 years from now. Doesn't matter who leaves, they'r staying.

>Sawyer - If he betrays everyone? There is a spoiler about him in a >flash foward driving away from the cops.

What spoiler? WHERE?

--CPPAH

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He is a hero for brutally murdering the others who were kidnapping the pregnant women to SAVE THERE LIVES! Hes one heck of a hero.

Google LOST SEASON 4 SPOILERS.

Just my two cents, but until we see a flash forward where a known character is using a different name I am going to say the person in the casket is someone we haven't met yet. So far we have only seen Jack and Kate in a flashforward, and if anyone was going to be using an alias I would think it would be Kate. Since she doesn't use a fake name, I am going to assume (for now) that no one is using a fake name and so the partial name shown in the newspaper clipping doesn't match anyone one, so its gotta be a new character.

But wait you say. What if a character has been using a fake name all this time and the newspaper clipping is actually the first glimpse of their real name? Well it's possible, but I don't think so. The writiers of LOsT just don't serve up cheese like that.

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Woah! Easy there. First of all, they didn't WANT to be kidnapped, which in my book is strike number one against the Others. 2.) How do we know that the Others were planning on saving the pregnant women? Because Ethan, Ben, and Juliet say so???? These are the three of most morally repugnant characters on the show.

Juliette has been shown lying not only to the Losties, but also to the Others (suppossedly her own people) AND to people in the "real world" before she even took the job with Mittelos. She lies every time she opens her mouth. Juliette cares about saving lives so much that she blew off investigating the plane crash to continue her book discussion group. Nice doctor! Ethan is the most brutally violent Other we've seen.

Ben ordered that anyone who got in the way of kidnapping the pregnant women should be killed on the spot. Not exactly the command of a nice guy, now is it?

Why do you take their word for it? If they were such good guys why be so sneaky about everything? Why not come straight to the wreckage on the beach as soon as it crashed. Help save lives and explain how they can help the surviving pregnant women later on? It doesn't make any sense.



Whether you think Bernard is a hero or not, Jack would still have thought so and he would have gone to Bernard's funeral if Bernard was in the coffin. Jack LEAD the attack against the Others that Bernard was a part of. He and Kate wouldn't have judged him for being in a mission that Jack himself lead. He and Kate would have gone to his funeral for that reason. Of course, it's possible that Bernard might still do something to put himself out of the Losties' favor and we just haven't seen it yet. Who knows.

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Yeah. And that justifies the Losties killing 7of them? Then Ben ordering Tom NOT to kill the 3 of them no mater what. They didn't want to blow holes in the sand but Ben made them. Ben does not want to kill. He offers Jack a peace treaty and everything. The others follow Jacobs orders. So don't blame them for what they do. Remember Cindy? Shes glad she joined the others. Because she told Locke she was happy that he finally came. Becoming a other is good. Only bad is you don't get to leave the island. But no one has anything to get back too. So who cares about going back? So Jack can try and kill himself? Ben tells them theres nothing to go back for and NOT TO CALL THE PEOPLE. According to that new trailer Ben is RIGHT. And because Charlie told Desmond the same thing also. The Others are like there parents. They know best. Sometimes it may sting and sometimes they may have to spank you but in the end your best off listening to them. Claire would have died like every other pregnant women. Why didn't she? Because of what Ethan did and because of the medicine Juliet made. Gotta see stuff from both points of view. Still Rose and Bernard are just so boring. Roses personality is annoying!

Hurley: Don't you wanna know whats in the Hatch?
Normal Person: Yes
Rose: Well its not going to help me with my laundry done now is it?\

Rose: If you say Live Together, Die Alone Jack I'm gonna punch you in the face.

If I were Jack: Shut up, *****

But you have to admit that we don't actually know that pregnant women on the island die ONLY from...being pregnant on the island. We only saw one supposedly pregnant woman die while in Juliet's care. We don't have any idea what kind of experiments the Others were putting those women through. Not even the Others themselves know that because the top level Others HID their lab and experiments from their own people. Sketchy much? Juliette herself injected Claire with some random drug to make her sick. She deliberately made Claire violently sick under Ben's orders.

You didn't notice Cindy's klassic "deer in the headlights" look of a branwashing victim? Much like Karl's when he was rescued from the Clockwork Orange-style re-education room by Sawyer, Kate, and Alexandra. What kind of people need to brainwash their own people if what they're doing is REALLY in those people's best interests? The Others are not children, even Karl and Alexandra. Many seem to have had advanced schooling. The "Sheriff" lady reads Chinese characters*. Juliette is an ob/gyn. Ethan was a surgeon. Clearly some of them can do complicated and extensive investigations because check out the detailed filed on each and every Lostie. They are intelligent people. If Ben is doing "the right thing" and his group really is "the good guys" why keep so many of his people in the dark? Maybe because they ARE good people and if they really knew what was going on and why they'd mutiny. Ben himself even said that he tells them they can leave any time even though they can't "because some can't make the full emotional commitment yet." Well, DUH...not if they don't have all of the information. Not if they are being lied to. And surely they must feel it, don't you think? They feel they are being lied to and that's why they distrust Ben and eachother and their purpose on the island? Mikhail, Bonnie and whatsherface in the Looking Glass. They all suspected they were being used and lied to. And why wouldn't they?--They were routinely ordered to lie to eachother.

Lastly, it's really Ben who is ultimately responsible for Libby and AnaLucia's death. He had rilly rilly detailed files on everyone. He knew that Michael would become violent if his son became a pawn. While were at it, if the Others are such good guys why separate a father and son, who they know were only just reunited? Why not kidnap Michael too and keep him in contact with Walt? What kind of good people steal children?

Not JUSTIFYING the Losties' killing of anyone actually, though it probably seems that way, but Hurley and Sawyer and the other Losties who killed Others (can't remember each and every one right now) in that last episode were all still raw from the deaths of someone close to them and who could possibly think clearly in that position?

Blahblahblah. Ok I've gone on and on enough. Didn't mean to beat a dead horse, as they say. I'm just qutie surprised at your interpretation of things.


*which is a little sketchy to me: why Chinese characters if it's a Thai tattoo? Thai has its own characters separate from Chinese. A slip-up on the producers' parts? I don't know.

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couldn't' t agree more.
When you take everything in to account there is just about no way you can say Ben and his gang are the good guys.
Now at the story's end when we have more information about everyone maybe then Ben's actions will be justified and his character will ultimately be seen as good, but with what we know up to this point he is just a bad guy.
Also as a viewer we have more information about the characters in the show than the characters have about each other. So we see a character make a certain choice and think to ourselves why would he/she do that. But remember that character doesn't have all the information that we do as viewers. And the less info you have the more apt you are to making a bad decision.

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They did that to Claire so they would trust Juliet so she could save more lives. It wasn't a random drug. Juliet has discovered the cure and she saved Claire's life. Not admitting this is like saying that Jacob isn't real and that Jacks dad is alive. It is something that the directors are telling you and you still refuse to believe it.

The way they are the good guys is they didn't make the call. Jack made the call. If you have seen the season 4 preview they tell us that our Losties are screwed because of jack. Ben tells him not to. Good guys tell them not to. Now the Losties have made the bad guys come. Yay Losties! We love you jack for getting us all screwed. And if you think Ben was still lieing. Remember what Charlie wrote on his hand before he dies. The Others are clearly the good guys. They are being purged by the Losties. If this does not prove to you that Ben is good then even if Ben went to his magic box and imagined himself up a new submarine and gave all the Losties Pixie dust and let them leave the island and have a magical life you would still see him as the bad guy because they wanted more Pixie dust and he was to selfish to give them all of it. The only person who has been brainwashed was carl. And it didn't even work so yeah...He just did it so Alex wouldn't be pregnant. Ben lies for a good cause. Think if he told everyone that he couldn't let them leave the island or contact the outside world but if they wanted to get everyone killed they can go to the looking glass and turn off the Jammer and leave the island. Yeah its best to keep that a secret. Everything was fine until the Losties came. Then the others wanted to learn about them and help them. They don't set people up to electric things and torture them. They were working probably as the same thing as Dharma aka saving the world. The Losties interrupted this. The island can not be found and the losties are determined to get it found so they can go home and kill them selves the right way. And how dare you blame him for there death. HE WAS CAPTURED BY THE LOSTIES DURING THIS TIME! It wasn't Ben it was the other, others. Plus the others never told Michael to kill anyone. This came purely from his sick mind. He stole a child from a island they were captured on? He wanted to steal Locke also. We saw Locke come there by his own will and he was never brainwashed. He helped Walt for all we know. Ben was captured by the Losties for a long time. Alot of things they did during this time he would not tell them to do. He ordered that neither of your 3 losties be killed. He saved there lives from Tom. He has Mercy. Sawyer who killed Tom doesn't.

Just so you know. If you watch the video it says they thought they had met the enemy and they thought wrong. Flat out telling you the others are NOT the enemy and Ben was right. That the REAL bad guys are coming.