Flight 815 Wreckage in the ocean?/ A little too hot for heaven? - Page 5

I just don't like the "someone/group staged a fake plane wreck" idea. Sure it is plausible although I think very unlikely. But aside from that the bigger question is why?
To me the only reason to fake a crash site is to get someone to stop looking for Flight 815 and to protect the island's location. Flight 815 is supposed to have lost comms and was a 1000 miles off course when it crashed. The island is supposed to be very difficult to find. (even though several planes and ships have crashed there)
So is it really that big a concern that someone looking for flight 815 would find the island?

12:17 PM

The wreckage found sounds like it is staged because it would have a debris field over an area as big as 5 miles. I have been reading about various plane crashes and particularly ones that crashed into the ocean. It wouldn't just be sitting at the bottom of a trench, with all the bodies in it. And how would they have ever found it there, SO deep. The odds of finding that plane seem astronomical (although possible.) Wish Naomi had more details about the circumstance of finding it etc, then we'd be able to tell better if she was lying or whatnot.

I bet this is going to be part of the season finale, or rather, NOT part of the season finale in that they will leave this question about Naomi's-plane-crash-site and Cooper's-plane-crash-site vs. the plane parts that are scattered all over the island until season 4!!!!

07:59 PM

The Multiverse...It's just my little theory and I've gleaned the idea from several clues in the show, and if anyone wants to hear those specific clues send me a PM and I'll send the quotes and or pics.
But lets assume for a minute the multiverse is what is actually going on: Here's how I see it. You have muliple dimensions, say three, all running almost concurrent to each other, and on each reality, there is a flight 815. If one of the flights crash, then by course correction, the others must perish as well.
So on one reality, the plane hits turbulence, loses it's aviation instruments, turns North thinking it's south, run out of fuel, whatever, and crashes near Bali. Since all of these people are dead, the universe must course correct and get rid of the other planes to rid all of reality of the people and plane which now have no equals in the other realities. For no reason, our flight 815 hits turbulanece, equipment malfunctions and boom, starts to rip apart.
Now the Others, who realize that the island is not governed by any laws of time and space, and scientists who stumbled upon the place and learned this as well, have figured out that with current techonology and harnessing of some of the power, can actually intervene in some events. In one reality which Patchy was hooked, he sees a plane crash and lost in the pacific somewhere, alerts Jacob, who then uses his power to guide one of the remaing two realities to the spot on the island. Experiment away, do what you will to these people, they can never go back, for if they go to the wrong reality, there is a time... spasm, I don't know, I haven't had one in a while.

Somehow though, Desmond did go back because the destruction of the Swan entered him into one of those realities, right at the point where that Desmond made the choice that eventually led to the island. He has deja vu, all of that and when he diverts from a course that must happen, boom, an agent is inserted in to make sure he remains on the course to go to the island.

If Naomi isn't lying, then i feel bad for her, because the multiverse can never allow Desmond to be part of any universe again, and will take action to prevent Desmond or anyone aiding him from doing so. He will get word out to Penny, who will eventually join him, they will get married on the island, and die in the nice clothes they were married in, ther remaining friends will put a black and white rock in their pockets, signyfying yin and yang... whatever the heck that means (ok i got weak at the end here, but i'm tired) BUT, didn't the suit on Adam look like Desmond's 'interview' suit? (ok, now I'm guessing, but I could swear they were both grey)

anyone buying this crap?

A few years ago, I read in the Weekly World News that a WWII-era B-17 Flying Fortress was spotted by telescopes intact on the surface of the moon.

Just a thought.........

I am positive that the science the producers are using is all coming from 'investigations' by the Weekly world News, who could argue with that hard hitting journalism..

as in previous posts..and discussions with friends...i am standing by my "underworld" theory...
quick and dirty explanation:
- appolo bars
- 4 toed statue (Hermes )
- adam / eve
- Cerberus ( in lockes map) (aka smokie)
- Penelope (desmonds girl) ( wife of hermes) daughter of Icarius(Penelope's Father)
- 108 # of suiters of Penolope, 1 of which is Demoptolemus (desmond)

blah..blah

Wow Hades, something to think about - sure are a lot of Grecian mythology references, that 's for sure!

excellent stuff, Cable...I like the idea that Des and Penny are the "Adam and Eve" found in the cave.

I have a question for you cable

If the island enhances human abilities like healing and strengthening sperm count, can the island or the location of it enable humans to use their full brain potential or at least half of it? The ability to use the human brain to its full potential can create incredible phenomenal occurrences/experiences.

For example: rapid healing of the body, produces enormous amounts of energy, enhance physical attributes, expand the cognitive mind (The human brain is the source of the conscious, cognitive mind. The mind is the set of cognitive processes related to perception, interpretation, imagination, memories, and crucially language of which a person may or may not be aware.) Release it self from the laws of time??? (time travel).

I think this fits well with your theory regarding multiuniverses. Keep in mind in order for Des to really have time traveled or cross paths with a multiuniverse not only did his brain had to have had the capablity to withstand such an experiance but also the ability to absorbe/remember the information and also filter out what he saw through the cognitive process. (Meaning trying to make sence of what he saw) Also we are impliying that with in the laws of what created us this can be achieved. Now that being said the possibilities are endless. Also for argument sake as I love to learn from other people ideas and experiances please comments on what I am about to describe regarding the human brain and the laws of our creator.

Please note: Creator does not need to be in a form of a god to convey my theory, it can be anything it serves as the “beginning”

Humans can come up with millions of ideas to define “time/life” but everyone fails to understand we are creating these ideas through lenses and imaginations trapded in laws of its origin(origin meaning our creator). If all of a sudden you were stoped and explained the beginning of time and how our creator was created our brain would not be able to compute it unless it is explained through laws which created our brain. We are traped with the understanding 1 must come before 2 and something that created the beginning of time had to also create that something. “The unmovable mover” Aristotle, one of the best explanations which emphasis the definition of “beginning” that at some point there is nothing before 1 and that 1 is eternal. Even though this is a great effort to explain a concept which is not understandable, I use this as an example:

Our form of measure will always be trapped in the laws of its creator and being able to time travel can not be done in our current life time until our brain can substitute or diminish the law that created its existence. Therefore extinction/death will lead to freedom from its creator’s laws. However, if extinction occurs, whenever the substance is created again (after-life) it will again be bound to its creator’s laws. Following this theory it is safe to say no one can ever free themselves from its creator’s law therefore if any time travel/ collision with a mulituniverse can occur it’s because the creator laws made it possible not because it was an anomaly or miracle. Hope I didn’t confuse anyone its very hard to explain.