Flight 815 Wreckage in the ocean?/ A little too hot for heaven? - Page 4

Lostpedia Info about the Crash of Flight 815:

The Brig
When he asks her about Flight 815, she says the entire plane was found off the coast of Bali in an ocean trench four miles deep. Submersible robots explored the wreckage with cameras, which showed that all of the bodies were there.

The Brig
A door opened and he was staring at his dead son Locke. Sawyer asks if he meant from Cooper pushing him out the window but he says that only made him permanently paralyzed. What killed him was his plane crashing in the Pacific.

One of Us
Inside, a stack of TV monitors show Oceanic Flight 815 leaving, and news reports from numerous networks reporting that the flight is missing somewhere in the Pacific. Mikhail gives Ben the basic facts about Oceanic 815, such as that 324 people were onboard.

Oceanic Airlines Flight 815 departed from Sydney, Australia on September 22 2004 (2004-09-22), at 14:55, from gate 23, flying to Los Angeles, California, USA where it would arrive at 10:42. There were 324 people onboard the plane including flight crew. The aircraft was a Boeing 777, a long-range twin-engine jet airliner. ("One of Us")
After apparently six hours into the flight, Flight 815 encountered problems with their radio. The pilot decided to turn to Fiji, and approximately 2 hours later, the plane hit turbulence.
The plane began to descend and then underwent a mid-air break-up. The tail section broke off first, and crashed into the ocean. Moments later, the front/cockpit section and the middle sections crashed on the island.
The crash corresponds precisely with the time listed in a log printout of an electromagnetic buildup, which occurred when Desmond failed to push the button in the Swan station. Although the exact mechanics of the crash are uncertain, magnetism is the implied culprit. However, information on the electromagnetism page implies that a crash by electromagnetism would be impossible following the known laws of physics.
It was later revealed by Naomi that the wreckage of Flight 815 was supposedly found and that there were no survivors. ("D.O.C.")
Naomi also revealed that the entire wreck of Flight 815 was found at the bottom of the ocean off the coast of Bali in an ocean trench four miles deep and that all the bodies were there. ("The Brig")

So both the news reports that Mikhail was listening to and watching AND Cooper said flight 815 crashed in the Pacific. Now I tend to believe that Naomi is lying! DANG! I really was hoping for a reunion between Penny and Des.

Good snooping around Wednighter (thanks for popping my Penny/Des bubble *sniff*

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I wanted a reunion between Desmond and Penny too *sniff sniff*

So is it possible that Penelope's father sent Naomi? But why would he bother? If it's because he found out that her daughter's close to finding her man, is not attempting to stop Penelope a smarter move than trying to get to Des before she does? I mean, the guy is not anywhere within easy reach anyways..
I feel sorry for Des- he looked so excited and distinctively hopeful by the side of Naomi when Sayid entered the tent.. Now Sayid is a 'doctor' in his own way (thus his last name means 'surgeon' in Arabic) so I guess he'd know a bad story when he sees/hears one.

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Originally Posted by CableRunner

There is only one answer if you believe Naomi... multiverse.

As crazy as it might be, I like the multiverse idea better than someone faking the crash...somehow that just seems cheesy to me. I agree that someone with enough money and power could pull it off, I just don't like it as a plot line. The multiverse idea, however...what if each story is true...815 did crash on the island, and 815 did crash in the Pacific, and 815 did crash off of Bali (I tend to think Cooper and Naomi are referring to the same crash, maybe Cooper just refers to Bali as being in the Pacific, but whatever)

Either way, its all true, because there are different realities, and in each one the plane has crashed a different way (maybe even some where the plane didn't crash at all) and the island is some kind of nexus of realities where time doesn't flow like you think it does. One of the realities had its flight 815 somehow enter this nexus, and that is the crash of our Losties.

Anyhow, my head hurts now...need to stop thinking about this before all my realities come crashing down...

08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

So both the news reports that Mikhail was listening to and watching AND Cooper said flight 815 crashed in the Pacific. Now I tend to believe that Naomi is lying! DANG! I really was hoping for a reunion between Penny and Des.

Good snooping around Wednighter (thanks for popping my Penny/Des bubble *sniff*

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I thought when Ben took Juliet to the Flam station Patchy was watching the news cover the 815 disappearance and the news was reporting flight 815 was missing not that it crashed. Can some one verify this? Now if this is true then this leaves it open for a staged crash; since the plane is missing it can end up anywhere. (Only in Hollywood!)

I think Naomi is connected with Penny some how, the anomaly was detected in the real world by those two dudes in the end of season 2, Naomi mentioned this so this links her to Penny because those two dudes worked for Penny but something is wrong. The scene where Patchy took Naomi's phone seemed very odd; I mean how did he know she had a satellite phone? It leads me to believe either he knows her (maybe not personally but who she works for) or this isn't the first person that ends up on the island with a satellite phone.

Now if the only means to get to or leave the island is a sub, how do planes, ships and parachutes keep appearing on the island? When will the "others" look at Ben and tell him he's full of Shyt for lying to them? When will Juliet notice this and try looking for other means to leave the island other than going through Ben? When will they start looking for the communication tower Rossue spoke about? Frustrated and annoyed!

09:50 AM

Copin - You are correct, sir! Read Wednighter's Lostpedia listing above where it says from the epi "One of Us" MISSING, not crashed. Good catch. Hmmmm....

I lean toward what Logan wrote - it seems to explain the different photos of Desmond and Penny. And maybe how Desmond could have gone to medical school and almost finish (but had to leave to take care of his 3 brothers), made sets for the Royal Shakespeare company, served in the military, dated a woman for 6 years, trained for a race around the world, lived as a monk, dated Penny for two years, lived on the island for 3 years - and even though we don't know for sure how old Desmond is, he can't be that old, twenties? - so CableRunner and Logan's multiverse might explain how Desmond did all of this in his lifetime, especially since he isn't that old.

I was thinking Desmond is in his mid 30's... imo

10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

Copin - You are correct, sir! Read Wednighter's Lostpedia listing above where it says from the epi "One of Us" MISSING, not crashed. Good catch. Hmmmm....

I lean toward what Logan wrote - it seems to explain the different photos of Desmond and Penny. And maybe how Desmond could have gone to medical school and almost finish (but had to leave to take care of his 3 brothers), made sets for the Royal Shakespeare company, served in the military, dated a woman for 6 years, trained for a race around the world, lived as a monk, dated Penny for two years, lived on the island for 3 years - and even though we don't know for sure how old Desmond is, he can't be that old, twenties? - so CableRunner and Logan's multiverse might explain how Desmond did all of this in his lifetime, especially since he isn't that old.

Sounds like a couple of friends I know. They travel around the world jumping form job to job and major in numerous fields never committing to one. They do so because they can't bear the thought of responsibility so they run from it thinking it will eventually stop chasing them. The things Desmond has done in his early life don't seem all that unbelievable to me but again I have met very very weird individuals throughout my short life time so there’s no telling what’s out there.

Maybe your right there could be a set of different realms and that theory does answer a lot of questions as to what’s going on with Des and the island. If this ends up being true I wouldn't be surprised at all but I hope this isn't the case. I am really looking for a more sophisticated scientific phenomenon to answer the questions regarding the island and the Losties. Not saying dual time lines isn't sophisticated nor scientific but with all the knowledge the others posses about the island and the D.I, dual timelines just don't mix in well with how the "others" operate. It strips the notion of free will and the ability to choose what one does.

If you are able to change something you have done in the pass because some how you were able to collide with yourself in another realm or time travel then “choice” is no longer important. I am sure all of us at one point wished we could have changed something in our pass and if given the opportunity almost all of us would. That in it self is why it can’t happen. The point of life is accepting you have one shot at it during one life-time at a time and in that life-time you can only move forward not backwards so giving that information we all must make decisions knowing consequences will follow. Going back in time or colliding in another realm and changing your wrongs to rights gives no purpose to life. (Past, Present and Future). A person would be able to eliminate “wrong” therefore also eliminating “right”. For if “wrong” never existed neither would “right”

Now maybe in the after life or if you believe in reincarnation this is something that could come into effect. Being able to some how remember the wrong things you did in your previous journey and being able to prevent yourself from making the wrong choice again.(Which seems like a logical meaning to life) Maybe Des had a vision or déjà vu from one of his previous life-times and intertwined/connected it with the present one. Maybe he didn’t see what we saw in his flashbacks; maybe that’s how his brain interpreted it. Let’s say for argument sake reincarnation existed. I mean if any of us had a flash back or remembrance of one of are previous life times like Des did how would our brain interpret the occurrence? Déjà vu weird feeling you have been there before but during your present life-time you haven’t? Hallucination? Coma? Body goes into shock? Memory lost? Or would we be able to remember we had a previous life and we were some one else at one point?

Hope I didn’t give anyone the Goosebumps

Okay if Naomi is lying (but why?) and Cooper says the plane crashed in the pacific. Could it be that the plane takes off, disappears, plenty of time goes by and everyone has to assume it crashed somewhere in the pacific? I mean if a plane is last known to be flying over the pacific and months go by, everyone would be pretty positive that it crashed in the ocean. It is a BIG ocean, if they looked for weeks or months and never found anything. Enough time passes and any logical person would draw that conclusion. But I tend to believe that Naomi honestly believes that the plane was found 4 miles down. And chances are Cooper said Pacific because he is bad at geography or it shows just how little he cared about Locke, can't even remember where his son's plane went down. The multiverse theory...so the plane took off and went through a xerox type portal that made 3 planes and all of them crashed...yeah, no, I don't like that theory personally.
Either: A-Someone sunk a plane to fool everyone into thinking all aboard were dead. Why? I dunno
B-Someone misinformed Naomi, doubt it
C-There were 2 flight 815s, one was a set up meant to bring our Losties to the island, the other was the official flight with totally different people on it, but, it crashed too...why?
D-Everyone, including Cooper, assumes 815 crashed in the ocean and Naomi is lying like a cheap rug