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3x19 - The Brig Airdate: May 2, 2007

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Old May 3rd, 2007, 07:53 AM

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Great episode! Sawyer was awesome. The producers did a great job with the character of Anthony Cooper (great acting by the way). The way he spoke to Locke and Sawyer, believing he was in hell and still acting like a non-forgiving a-hole for all the things he has done it made the transition easy when Sawyer choked him. Awesome! I’m glade he killed him the right way, a slow and painful death not an easy bullet shot to the head which would have killed him instantly. Classic!

Locke seemed to be his usual self, out for him and on a soul searching journey. He continues to give everyone small tidbits of info but enough info for them to choose there own fate. The writers have done a great job with the consistency of his character.

I knew the writers would leave the Line “We should tell her Jack” “No, not yet” as a cliff hanger Ahhh! I was so upset, even though they gave some answers none of them were satisfying.

Locke tells Sawyer that he knows he killed a man once. Surprisingly Sawyer accepted that he new about it. Now if Sawyer was never caught for the murder then how would Sawyer accept Locke to now about it? I guess he was caught, questioned by police or at least deemed a suspect, still need clarification.

Naomi also tells Sayid flight 815 was found and that there were no survivors. She said they took cameras under water and filmed everything inside giving the impression some bodies were still in tacked. That being said, not only would the U.S government have a huge investigation surrounding this plane but a man with all that power and money like Sun’s father has I’m sure he would try to retrieve Suns’ body and give her a proper burial or something. We’ll see how that turns out.

Kate finally finds out Jack knows something and he won’t tell. She better tell the whole camp his a$$ is a liar and they better get him talking; this whole Jack thing that the writers are trying to pull off isn’t working. Jack doesn’t play the bad roll good, Sawyer does. I think the writers got a little to cute here. His character doesn’t fit that roll plus you already have a character who does this well (Sawyer) leave it at that!

Last thing and I need some help here. Because this island belongs to no one much less a government. Can a government prosecute someone for murdering another? I mean does the U.S have any jurisdiction for what happens in this island. If they are rescued would the U.S be able to arrest some of the Lostie’s? I think they can’t because no government laws are world wide but I have no facts to prove this, some one please help.
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Great episode! Sawyer was awesome. The producers did a great job with the character of Anthony Cooper (great acting by the way).
Yea the guy who plays Anthony Cooper is a really great actor, like Sawyer has been looking for this man his whole life and he just goes "Bla bla bla" when reading the letter, he showed no remorse whatsoever for what he'd done. I also liked how he gave an explanation for how he got to the island, a car crash, as well as him thinking they were in hell - he's got a point.

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Now if Sawyer was never caught for the murder then how would Sawyer accept Locke to now about it? I guess he was caught, questioned by police or at least deemed a suspect, still need clarification.
While the police didn't know about Sawyer killing Frank Duckett (think that's his name) there were some people who did, Hibbs for example, maybe others, and The Others clearly have a wide reach of influence so they probably pryed until they found the info.

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Naomi also tells Sayid flight 815 was found and that there were no survivors. She said they took cameras under water and filmed everything inside giving the impression some bodies were still in tacked.
I think she implied ALL the bodies were found. I don't don't know this works but wouldn't they try and retrieve some of the bodies for a DNA sample.? Now I think about it if you find a plane wreckage that looks exactly like a plane that crashed, full of skeletons or whatever, you might just not look any furthur. So whoever faked the crash knew how to do it right. Was it the Others ..?

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this whole Jack thing that the writers are trying to pull off isn’t working. Jack doesn’t play the bad roll good, Sawyer does.
I think they're doing it well ; Jack isn't playing a BAD role, he's playing the role of someone who knows SOMETHING about the island, which is why he barely reacted when Kate said a woman from a helicopter, almost like it didn't matter. Maybe they ARE in hell.

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Last thing and I need some help here. Because this island belongs to no one much less a government. Can a government prosecute someone for murdering another? I mean does the U.S have any jurisdiction for what happens in this island. If they are rescued would the U.S be able to arrest some of the Lostie’s?
I think there is probably some International Law against murder, the Law of human rights or something, so no matter where in the universe you are, murder is still morally wrong. However their situation is kinda different, they've been stuck on an island for over three months so they could be under some stress or not be acting rationally. TBH I think being arrested is the least of their worries.
 
 
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Well I have to disagree with you about Jacks new roll. Now I’m not saying Mathew Fox is doing a bad job acting wise. I just think after 2 and half seasons of Jack being the protagonist it doesn’t transition well for the character to switch that roll. It’s too awkward and everyone knows it won’t last for long. I just think Lost already has a character like that (Sawyer) were he’s bad one day good another and Josh Holloway does an excellent job. No need to turn Jack into another Sawyer just doesn’t fit.

I understand murdering someone is morally wrong no question about that. Killing someone and murdering someone are two different things. You can kill someone for self-defense being that the person is attacking you and either you kill him/her or him/her kills you. Now murdering some one is a bit different. Murdering another usually implies there were preconceived notions being that you made up your mind your were going to kill someone without being assaulted or in danger.

Either way my question is that since laws are man made and so are the means of consequence (this varies depending where you live), who or what government if any has jurisdiction to punish another for something that was unmorally done in a place where there are no laws? Is there any international law that was agreed by all countries that if anyone commits murder on “planet earth” they need to be persecuted some how some way? If any one has any insight on this pleases comment.

This has nothing to do about the characters on the show nor do I think this is even crossing there mind. For some reason I’m just curious as to what would happen in real life if this were to happen.

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I think she implied ALL the bodies were found. I don't don't know this works but wouldn't they try and retrieve some of the bodies for a DNA sample.? Now I think about it if you find a plane wreckage that looks exactly like a plane that crashed, full of skeletons or whatever, you might just not look any furthur. So whoever faked the crash knew how to do it right. Was it the Others ..?

I think in the time it would take to locate the wreckage, send cameras down there, and considering that they found the plane in a trench (presumably deep) the scavengers and the preadators would have thrown those bodies around, and picked them clean.
 
 
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Naomi said the plane was in a trench 5 miles deep. That's probably an important number, and my guess is the writers did some fact checking and figured out that at that depth, they can't recover the plane or the bodies, but maybe they can send down a robot to take pictures.
 
 
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I believe what you are referring to is bottom dwellers which feed off dead carcass in the bottom of the ocean, but that takes months to achieve. Very very very few predators live 4 miles below sea level. At that depth you usual find bottom dwellers and fish like crustaceans, bacteria some not all which feed of dead carcass such as whales, sharks along with fish and anything else that is claimed by “Davy Jones locker”.

Now with the amount of bodies that were on flight 815 there is no possible way that all those bodies were decomposed and eaten up by bottom dwellers in less then 90 days. Plus by the time it took to build a replica of Oceanic 815 that alone would take months but let’s say for the sake of argument it took them 1 month to do it. That would give 60 days for the bodies to decompose and that’s not happening. I know it’s just a show and I don’t mean to nick pick but it is far fetched. I really don’t know where the writers are going with this other than that Naomi is lying or the “Others” are the all mighty rulers of the world and control everything! Crazy lol
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You are right Witty 5 miles is waaaaaaaay to deep to bring up the plane much less for any diver to dive that deep. The pressure is way to severe and no human can survive navigating that deep but they have built machines that can dive deeper than 5 miles and can take samples and pictures of the plane and also the most important thing a plan has which is the all mighty indestructible "Black Box" Which I'm sure some one would want to recover. One that is recovered all the info on what happend is reveled so i highly doubt
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What would happen to a plane if it sunk 5 miles down in the ocean? would it crumple in on itself? and what would the bodies do under that pressure with no protection?
 
 
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The bodies would get crushed under the pressure, and anyone still alive would endure a very painful death.
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So how could they identify the bodies? I still think someone faked the wreck.
 
 
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