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3x17 - Catch-22 Airdate: April 18, 2007

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What significance would Catch 22 have for Desmond? The book he carried with him was "Our Mutual Friend" by Dickens. That's the book Penny would associate with Desmond. Sure, Catch 22 was in the hatch, but how would Penny know that? As to the earlier post about Penny's dad sending Naomi because he has an interest in Desmonds ability to see the future....how would he know that unless he's watching the show?
 
 
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A "Catch-22" refers to a no-win situation or a double bind. The literary sense is a situation in which two situations depend on each other to occur. In this episode it refers to the predestination paradox — Desmond only goes on the mission because he sees flashes of him doing so. But the flashes wouldn't have occurred unless he had gone on the mission. So where did the flashes come from?

For Desmond the no-win situation according to the flashes is as follows: either he lets Charlie die and finds Penny, or he saves Charlie but won't find Penny

"Catch-22" originates from the novel of the same name by Joseph Heller. In the novel, Heller initially uses "Catch-22" to describe a no-win situation. (A bomber pilot is told he can only avoid flying more missions by pleading insanity, but attempting to preserve his own life by pleading insanity is proof of sanity, meaning he must continue to fly missions. "That's Catch 22.") Later in the novel, "Catch 22" is used to by people in power any time they need to justify their actions.


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DESMOND: I love you, Penny. I've always loved you. I'm so sorry. I love you!
PENNY: I love you too.
DESMOND: I don't know where I am, but--
PENNY: I'll find you, Des--
DESMOND: --I promise--
PENNY: --no matter what--
DESMOND: --I'll come back to you--
PENNY: --I won't give up--
BOTH: I promise. I love you.
 
 
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A Little more about Naomi from Lostpedia!!!!

Naomi's arrival on the island via parachute is similar to an event from William Golding's novel: Lord of the Flies. In the novel a parachutist bails from a falling airplane at night and is caught suspended in the trees. The parachutist is subsequently discovered by the survivors to be dead.


Noami James info was the first woman to sail solo around the world via Cape Horn (similar to the race that Desmond was in).

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Is she connected to Penny or the Portuguese-speaking researchers, Mathias and Henrik, in the listening station?

Is she connected to Rose or Henry Gale somehow?
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DESMOND: I love you, Penny. I've always loved you. I'm so sorry. I love you!
PENNY: I love you too.
DESMOND: I don't know where I am, but--
PENNY: I'll find you, Des--
DESMOND: --I promise--
PENNY: --no matter what--
DESMOND: --I'll come back to you--
PENNY: --I won't give up--
BOTH: I promise. I love you.
 
 
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Is she connected to Penny or the Portuguese-speaking researchers, Mathias and Henrik, in the listening station?
I think that the fact that the book is in Portuguese shows she could be connected to the guys from the season 2 finalle..
The Book of Ruth is centred on the life journey of two women in desperate straits: Ruth and Naomi.
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The word "ardil", from Portuguese, literally translates into American English as a trick, a scheme or a trap. Lostpedia

Thought this was intresting also!!!
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PENNY: I love you too.
DESMOND: I don't know where I am, but--
PENNY: I'll find you, Des--
DESMOND: --I promise--
PENNY: --no matter what--
DESMOND: --I'll come back to you--
PENNY: --I won't give up--
BOTH: I promise. I love you.
 
 
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The official podcast today stated that Naomi (the Parachutist) was, in fact, sent by Penny.
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PENNY: I love you too.
DESMOND: I don't know where I am, but--
PENNY: I'll find you, Des--
DESMOND: --I promise--
PENNY: --no matter what--
DESMOND: --I'll come back to you--
PENNY: --I won't give up--
BOTH: I promise. I love you.
 
 
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