Smokey at the funeral - Page 2

I'll rewatch it tonight and let you know what i think.... I would have to agree with Benmer007 I don't think smoky has feeling & would be overseeing a funeral.. But who knows

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

smokey was incensed that Eko would act like he was his brother!

also - looked at one of the screenshots and I think I would have to see a clip to see if it was moving, otherwise it just looks like shade.

Well i dont see how anyone can make judement calls on what feelings or thoughts the black smoke has.

on top of it being pretty much expressionless... there are few other things that we can see from it to tell what its feelings or thoghts are.

sure it beat ecko to the ground, but it also used to explode through the ground, grab people, and other such random acts of violence...

ecko's mind and spirit were finally free when he told yemi... in his imagination, that he had no regrets...

it was time for him to end his journey on the island...

Smokey just helped that out.

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I don't understand your argument Benmer007 - first you say it is expressionless, but then you say it performs random acts of violence. YOU are suscribing the term violence. You can't have it both ways, especially since you do not know the smoke monster's purpose (or motivation?) I'm just saying if your opinion (no proof ;it's just what you think) is that he doesn't have feelings, my opinion is that it can at least manufacture feelings when it's in the shape of Yemi. He doesn't talk in a monotonous tone like a robot. Yemi's brow furrows and his inflection goes down and his tone becomes stronger when he says, "You talk to me as if I was your brother." Those are natural facial expressions and inflections when anyone becomes angry. Now that doesn't mean that I think it is the smoke monster itself that has emotion. It could be whoever is controlling the smoke monster's feeling and emotions coming through the Smokey. Think of the Great and Powerful Oz and the man behind the curtian.

Who says that Smokey would be at the funeral out of sentimentality?
If that is Smokey in the screenshots, it might just be scouting the group, checking them out etc.

Anyway, I think it's highly unlikely that the dark patch is Smokey, because as someone already mentioned it didn't move or make any noises. Very probably just shade.

Oh and i don't think smokey would go to the funeral either. Unless Smokey is like a spyglass or periscope or something and whoever is controlling it can see through the smoke monster, and maybe was spying on the Others or listening in on the Others

hi Wander - you're just a faster typer than I am

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

I don't understand your argument Benmer007 - first you say it is expressionless, but then you say it performs random acts of violence. YOU are suscribing the term violence. You can't have it both ways, especially since you do not know the smoke monster's purpose (or motivation?) I'm just saying if your opinion (no proof ;it's just what you think) is that he doesn't have feelings, my opinion is that it can at least manufacture feelings when it's in the shape of Yemi. He doesn't talk in a monotonous tone like a robot. Yemi's brow furrows and his inflection goes down and his tone becomes stronger when he says, "You talk to me as if I was your brother." Those are natural facial expressions and inflections when anyone becomes angry. Now that doesn't mean that I think it is the smoke monster itself that has emotion. It could be whoever is controlling the smoke monster's feeling and emotions coming through the Smokey. Think of the Great and Powerful Oz and the man behind the curtian.

Right... if someone is controlling the mosnter then yes. it directly would go to that persons emotions... you are still assuming that the smoke became Yemi and learned to speak... and then switched back to fist form smoke to do the death dealing...

i still think that Yemi was all in ecko's head. Just like when Locke saw ecko talk but that was in his head... The smoke just does what it does.... kill fools... we havent seen it do anything esle, except stalk fools its going to kill...

u

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Originally Posted by Wednighter

I'll rewatch it tonight and let you know what i think.... I would have to agree with Benmer007 I don't think smoky has feeling & would be overseeing a funeral.. But who knows

only if it was a split personality smoke... half careless and mean... half mornfull and sappy... ha ha!

oh okay - I see where our disagreement lies. I didn't understand that you think eko was hallucinating Yemi. I think the smoke monster is a "shape shifter" I think that's where our trouble is!

when you typed "u" up above on your last post, where you saying I'm a fool and the smoke monster's after me?

(sniff, sad) then(Yikes! scared of Smokey)

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Originally Posted by queenbeesteph

hi Wander - you're just a faster typer than I am

Haha, why hello there. Oh I posted a thread about the Blast Door Map if you're still interested.

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Originally Posted by benmer007

you are still assuming that the smoke became Yemi and learned to speak... and then switched back to fist form smoke to do the death dealing...

That's a good point, I hadn't personally given that a lot of consideration. If Smokey is indeed a shape-shifter, the only rational way that it could learn how to communicate would be for it to have a programmable "mind" that would enable it to communicate through some form of word recognition.

Otherwise it would have to be speaking to Eko in his head, like telepathy. Of course, there is a strong chance that Eko merely hallucinated Yemi and Smokey was there waiting for him, perhaps knowing that Eko's hallucinations would lead him to it.

ha ha

sorry that was a typo...

and what a great place for one..

totally a mistake. I think that Yemi was a vision. Most of the people that "appear" ( despite being dead) on the island are usually visions. Our characters dont touch them or anything. Its always a follow them or chase them or they realize they were imagining them.

we havent seen Yemi turn into the smoke or back so we cant fully make that jump.

Lost likes to keep us thinking as you know.