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2x23 - Live Together, Die Alone Season Finale!
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Old May 25th, 2006, 06:00 PM

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Ooh! Another thought!

Did anyone notice that the glass in the framework and the framework itself around the computers was really really clean and polished in the flashbacks with Kelvin and Desmond?

I bet Kelvin was a kind of 'spit-and-polish' Army Intelligence guy who spent his time cleaning things until he got his hands on Demond's sailboat. The disrepair we all talked about at the beginning of the season is, simply, that Desmond quit taking care of the place after he killed Kelvin.
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I think to get a good overview you would really need to watch both seasons back to back in one go (several times).

My take on the whole hatch incident is that the magnetic system was creating some sort of field around the whole island, which bends the light around it (hence why when saywer and micheal were out to sea, they all of a sudden seen the island and they passed though the field, you would have noticed it a lot sooner) and other electromagnetic fields. To do this there might have to be a storage system, which is what the timer was for, to bleed off the extra before it causes problems. I think the key that desmond used was a way to empty all the stored energy in one go as a fail safe. This would be useful incase the system failed (like a computer problem) as it would give darhma time to come to the island, repair the system and sort any problems out before the energy store is filled up.

The energy would probably have to be disipated though the atmosphere, hence the noise, light and movement of the hatch door. It would also disorintate people close by (charlie) and most likly knock very close by people out due to over sensory stimulation. I dought there was any sort of explosion as there would have been sign's, like smoke, debris (not just the hatch door which had already been removed) etc etc.

Of course this is just speculation so don't quote me on it :P
 
 
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Sounds good to me . The explosion was from the dynamite that Echo used which is seperate from the incident that accurred when Desmond used the failsafe key , the flash of light etc.... Charlie is OK , not compromised and prob just knocked silly from the explosion and stuff . I think Echo and Locke made it also , probably just haven't come to yet .
 
 
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Ok remeber the key that desmond turned, that blew up the hatch so they dont press the button anymore and the electro magnetic field wouldnt be there anymore that sent the hatch door flying up in the air and it landed. At first i thought it was like a truman show thing too and i was like so mad

Charlie went through a lot. If u don't remeber when he was by the ladder entrance thing to the hatch his head was bleeding. This might mean he hit his head hard and could have had a concussion or something
 
 
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Ok remeber the key that desmond turned, that blew up the hatch so they dont press the button anymore and the electro magnetic field wouldnt be there anymore that sent the hatch door flying up in the air and it landed. At first i thought it was like a truman show thing too and i was like so mad

Charlie went through a lot. If u don't remeber when he was by the ladder entrance thing to the hatch his head was bleeding. This might mean he hit his head hard and could have had a concussion or something
 
 
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Ok remeber the key that desmond turned, that blew up the hatch so they dont press the button anymore and the electro magnetic field wouldnt be there anymore that sent the hatch door flying up in the air and it landed. At first i thought it was like a truman show thing too and i was like so mad
Not necessarily. I think the machine focussed and tried to harness the electromagnetic field of the island. If the Fail Safe Device fried just the machine, the magnetic field would remain, only now it would not be contained and focussed through the machine. It would still be there, pulling things like The Black Rock (the old slave ship) to their doom (I like that word, doom).

The old Bermuda Triangle theme. Still a workable concept.
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Desmond looked a lot like Christ at the end...long hair and beard. Did he die for their sins? "All we really need to survive is one person who truly loves us, and you have that. I will wait for you...always. I love you." This could also mean that Desmond is still alive...after all. With Penny waiting for him. Also wouldn't they place the failsafe switch in a spot where you could survive? Remember Desmond said it would take an atom bomb to blow to blow open the doors. He was just in a crawlspace beneath the floor.... Also, he hadn't read the book yet that we know of....did he?

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...Also, he hadn't read the book yet that we know of....did he?
No, but sometimes Life ain't fair.
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Life is fair....people aren't
 
 
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That, too. Although I meant that 'Life Ain't Fair' in the way that life can be cruel. As in the poetic phrase, Nature is red in tooth and claw. Or as Mick and the Stones said, "You cain't always get what you want."
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