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May 5th, 2006, 06:28 PM
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Maybe Michael and Henr(imposter) are acting under a hive mentality - they both have a common goal and all the others know it and just work towards it like little solder ants or bees.
But you have a really good point-- he could have just killed Henr(i) made up his own story from there and - next episode we will hear that all that shooting came from Henr(i)
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Like a "cult," perhaps. A charismatic leader with the money and vision to change the world. And the island and the Dharma Initiative was his little way of isolating a large group of scientific minds and bending them to his will through fear (the "incident")(death)(sickness, bio-engineered disease) until they are afraid of the outside world and will do whatever he says. To save their 'Brave New World' perhaps...keeping only the best "good" people who wash ashore and killing off the weaker ones.
Interesting idea...hive mentality.
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May 6th, 2006, 12:31 AM
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Well im not old enough to even have kids but i wish that my parents would be willing to go to such lengths to keep me alive.
My question for you is this. What if someone else's parents were going to such lenghts for their child, and it ment killing you? Would that be a good idea? Could someone say, "Yeah, I'm sorry about killing the other people, but that's life, right?"
Maybe Michael could call Ana Lucia's Mom and tell her, "Sorry, I'm trying to get back my boy."
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May 6th, 2006, 06:54 AM
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Henry told Locke that the Others' Leader "was a great man, but an unforgiving one."
Ana Lucia killed Goodwin. When Henry tried to kill her, he said something about her killing "two good people who did nothing to harm you." Now, at the time, I thought he was talking about Goodwin and Ethan...but Ana didn't kill Ethan. Ana killed Goodwin and Shannon. Was Henry's mission to eliminate her as payback from an unforgiving leader? When he was caught and outed, did they send Michael in as back-up? And, finally, (I'm thinking this up as I go) did Michael really let Henry go or did he kill Henry like Goodwin killed that other guy that Ana first thought was an Other?
And, is Eko going to be killed for the same reason--that he killed two of the Others when they tried to take him?
Something to think about.
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Charlie, I believe the "two good people who did nothing to harm you" that Henry Gale was talking about, was most likely Goodwin & the female "Other" she
killed on the beach in Season 2 Episode 7 - The Other 48 Days. "ye old ye rock to ye head tricky"!!
I'm really not sure if "Mike" has done the killing under false pretense. I definately think Libby was an accident. Startled him and he automatically shot her out
of shock. Think shooting AL was intent. But I don't blame him. Sure plenty of the Losties would shoot her aswell.
I don't believe that "Mike" knew about Henry and therefore was working with the others. As he was shocked to hear about him being held. He must have just
come up with a stupid plan, of trying to get on the "others" good side, to try and get his son back/or atleast be able to join them, to be with Walt.
Again I don't think Eko is going to die. Too many storys involving him soon.
I'am hoping that next weeks episode is going to be along the lines of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh (Locke) & Enkidu (Mr Eko) off too destroy the "security system".
Or am I just getting carried away?!! 
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May 6th, 2006, 09:18 AM
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Charlie, I believe the "two good people who did nothing to harm you" that Henry Gale was talking about, was most likely Goodwin & the female "Other" she
killed on the beach in Season 2 Episode 7 - The Other 48 Days. "ye old ye rock to ye head tricky"!!
I'm really not sure if "Mike" has done the killing under false pretense. I definately think Libby was an accident. Startled him and he automatically shot her out
of shock. Think shooting AL was intent. But I don't blame him. Sure plenty of the Losties would shoot her aswell.
I don't believe that "Mike" knew about Henry and therefore was working with the others. As he was shocked to hear about him being held. He must have just
come up with a stupid plan, of trying to get on the "others" good side, to try and get his son back/or atleast be able to join them, to be with Walt.
Again I don't think Eko is going to die. Too many storys involving him soon.
I'am hoping that next weeks episode is going to be along the lines of the Epic of Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh (Locke) & Enkidu (Mr Eko) off too destroy the "security system".
Or am I just getting carried away?!! 
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Oh, yeah. I forgot about that other she clobbered with the rock. Sorry.
That pretty much blows apart my entire idea. Oh, well...guess I'll have to think up something else to make Michael's actions seem more rational (having him suddenly turn into a killer irritated me and stills seems to be a little too soap-opera-ish).
And by that, I mean the soap opera ploy of turning a character's moral compass a hundred-eighty degrees and expecting the audience to swallow it.
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May 7th, 2006, 06:15 PM
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Heres a new thought. Its obvious that shooting Libby was a mistake. But what if "Mikes" plan was to kill AL, shoot
himself in the arm, then let Henry go. Therefore making it look like Henry had committed the crime.
All this in an effort to get the LOSTIES to retaliate against the "Others" camp he had found. "Mike" was desperate
for them to go and attack the "Others" camp. Quote:- "We can take them".
Maybe by doing the dirty, he has now given the LOSTIES incentive.

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May 7th, 2006, 07:10 PM
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Heres a new thought. Its obvious that shooting Libby was a mistake. But what if "Mikes" plan was to kill AL, shoot
himself in the arm, then let Henry go. Therefore making it look like Henry had committed the crime.
All this in an effort to get the LOSTIES to retaliate against the "Others" camp he had found. "Mike" was desperate
for them to go and attack the "Others" camp. Quote:- "We can take them".
Maybe by doing the dirty, he has now given the LOSTIES incentive.

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That has been my thought exactly. Michael is going to blame Henry (why would he admit to that, anyway?) in hopes of getting the Losties to say "Henry, you killed our people. Prepare to die. AVENGE THE DEATHS! SAVE WALT FROM THE MANIACS! YEAAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!" Well... something like that, anyway...
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May 8th, 2006, 09:10 AM
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Blowing innocent people away in the hope that the bad guys might let you go?
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Im sure if you where in that situation with a family member that you loved you would go to such extremes
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May 9th, 2006, 04:25 AM
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It is hard to believe that Michael would be able to trek in the jungle undetected. Thus, it makes Michael's story less
believable to me. However, if the Others sent Michael back to free Henry, and/or kill Ana, surely the others would
know that would cause retaliation? Why would the Others want the Losties to retaliate? What purpose would that serve?
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I'm not sure about the whole trekking in the jungle undetected. I'm sure its a big place. Also it seems in every episode one
of the LOSTIES is out in the jungle "trekking" and not being "detected". e.g.
Hurley chasing Dave, Hurley looking for the "french chick", hurley and sawyer looking for tree frog, jack chasing his dad, kate
following horse, the trip to the black rock, tailies trek accross the island, climb to use the transmitter, kate & claire going to the
swan station..... i could keep going..
Even if they were detected by the "Others" or someone else, would these people possible want to do anything (contact them,
take them hostage, kill them). Seems to me that the "Others" want as little contacted with the LOSTIES as possible. So can't see
any problem with "trekking in the jungle undetected".
I think you have also made a good point in summing up why the "Others" would not have sent "Mike" on a "mission". It would
cause possible retaliation i'm sure they don't want.. (empasis on "don't cross the line" zeke style)
I still believe it is something "Mike" has done himself, out of a spur of the moment. An idea has popped into his head, and he is
acting. Either to prove a point to the "Others". (I could be one of you... I've given you back Henry, now give me back my boy....)
Or to upset the LOSTIES and possibly get them to go and attack the "Others" camp.
Could just be because "Mike " doesn't like AL and got bored of her drivelling, whinging and moaning...... 
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