The Whole Truth?

Does anyone find it odd that the episode is called "The Whole Truth?" The whole truth about what? I don't have any theories, but is it possible that the "Whole Truth" about the island was revealed to us, but we don't know it? I mean, in hindsight it will be clear as a bell, but right now we don't know enough to see it?

Thoughts (some mine, some borrowed):

1) Rose knows exactly what day it is. Rose also has never seemed too worried about being Lost and "knew" ner husband was alive.

2) Sun is pregnant, and Jin was previously thought to be sterile. Could he have been cured in the same way that Locke was cured? Could it be she was kidnapped and impregnated?

3) Henry Gale knows too much. He can hear - and understand - the whispers.

4) The Losties will find the balloon, and likely the grave. They will likely think Henry is innocent and that that is the Whole Truth. But will they overlook something else that really tells us the Whole Truth?

5) Does the Whole Truth refer only to Henry Gale's story, and not the Whole Truth of the Island? Did Henry Gale tell us the Whole Truth about himself? This would mean that A) he is who he says he is or B) he is an Other, and the Whole Truth is that he set up the Losties? I'm convinced he's an Other, regardless of what the search party finds.

Thoughts?

My thoughts/responses:

1) Something is DEFINITELY up with Rose.

2) Sun told Jin the Whole Truth on two levels: her pregnancy and his sterility (which, yes, I think was somehow "cured" on the island).

3-4) Henry told the "truth"... there is a balloon and a grave, and he drew the map to find them.

5) I think the episode title refers to all these things, and I also think that Henry has sent the Losties into a trap.

Believe it or not, but of all these things, I am most eager to find out about Rose. I hear there is a Bernard/Rose-centric episode coming up... I can't wait!!!

I still think there's something more... something that will really make us go D'OH! when we realize it.

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I still think there's something more... something that will really make us go D'OH! when we realize it.

I hope there is... predictable tv bugs me.

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Does anyone find it odd that the episode is called "The Whole Truth?" The whole truth about what?

Thoughts (some mine, some borrowed):

1) Rose knows exactly what day it is. Rose also has never seemed too worried about being Lost and "knew" ner husband was alive.

Thoughts?

Why do you find it so strange that Rose knows exactly what day it is?
Lots of people, including Jack, know exactly how many days they have
been on the island.

How do you know she is not "worried about being lost"? Is she supposed
to run around, freaking out until they are rescued? She is just coping
like everyone else. Sun works in her garden, Charlie plays the guitar,
Jack and Kate and others play golf, Kate gives Sawyer a haircut.
They know they are stranded for a while, maybe forever, so they just
have to deal with it and get on.

And why do so many people think it is so weird that she knew all along
that Bernard was alive. I know that it is very rare to portray a couple
that is actually committed to each other. Maybe Rose was just foolishly
hoping he was alive against all odds and just lucked out. Why does
it have to be sinister that she feels such a connection to her husband.
Have we become so cynical in our culture whose divorce rate is over
50% that we can't believe an older couple could have a connection
like that?

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Originally Posted by MB

Why do you find it so strange that Rose knows exactly what day it is?
Lots of people, including Jack, know exactly how many days they have
been on the island.

How do you know she is not "worried about being lost"? Is she supposed
to run around, freaking out until they are rescued? She is just coping
like everyone else. Sun works in her garden, Charlie plays the guitar,
Jack and Kate and others play golf, Kate gives Sawyer a haircut.
They know they are stranded for a while, maybe forever, so they just
have to deal with it and get on.

And why do so many people think it is so weird that she knew all along
that Bernard was alive. I know that it is very rare to portray a couple
that is actually committed to each other. Maybe Rose was just foolishly
hoping he was alive against all odds and just lucked out. Why does
it have to be sinister that she feels such a connection to her husband.
Have we become so cynical in our culture whose divorce rate is over
50% that we can't believe an older couple could have a connection
like that?

I don't find any of that unusual... but I know Rose and Bernard have some flashback coming up, and with that in mind, I think there must be more to Rose than sweetness and level-headedness.

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Originally Posted by MB

Why do you find it so strange that Rose knows exactly what day it is? Lots of people, including Jack, know exactly how many days they have been on the island.

I suppose, if you're keeping track, but not everybody would. So, yes I do think it's odd, especially since it's a TV show and the script writers called it to our attention that Rose knew EXACTLY what day it was. I know after 90 or so days on an island with no schedule, and presumably no calendar, I would have completely lost track

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How do you know she is not "worried about being lost"?

Again, a TV show. Rose has had a quiet confidence about her, and the script writers choose to show this for a reason. She also had the same quiet confidence about Bernard - she "knew" he was alive - and the script writers chose to show us this for a reason.

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And why do so many people think it is so weird that she knew all along that Bernard was alive. . . Why does it have to be sinister that she feels such a connection to her husband. Have we become so cynical in our culture whose divorce rate is over 50% that we can't believe an older couple could have a connection like that?

Didn't mean to strike a nerve here. I'm with you... I wish Hollywood would portray less immoral activity as normal and make more shows that you can watch as a family. But we have what we have, which is why a show like Lost has such a broad appeal - it's good because it makes you think, instead of relying on sex and violence to draw an audience.

I'm glad they scripted Rose and Bernard to have such a great relationship, and TV could use to show more great relationships, but the reason I can't believe a couple can have a telepathic connection has nothing to do with a cynical society - it's because we can't communicate telepathically, no matter how great the relationship.

And sinister? Never said it. Just calling attention to clues in the script that are leading to something. What that is, I don't know, but remember scripts are purposely written a certain way for a reason, things don't "just happen!"

I don't think they are telepathic, I just think I understand why she was so confident he was alive. A few years ago there was a very bad accident involving police officers in our city. The regular programing was interrupted by news coverage showing the accident. It was in my husband's district and in a situation that involved him. They didn't identify them for a while. I kept getting phone calls from friends and family. Some came to my house.
They kept asking do you think it's him? I never for one second thought
it was my husband. They couldn't believe I was so calm. He called me soon after to let me know he was OK. Now, am I telepathic, or was I just foolishly
hoping that it wasn't my husband or just refusing to believe he was dead
and it turned out I was right?
I don't mean to sound so dramatic, I just think this is the case with Rose. She just refused to believe he was dead. Just because she wasn't screaming
at everyone to leave her alone and she just quietly corrected anyone
who referred to Bernard in the past tense doesn't mean there's anything
weird about believing he was alive.

And maybe I am just refusing to believe there is anything sinister about
Rose and Bernard. I just don't like flimsy evidence like Bernard isn't
really a dentist because he likes candy or Cindy must be an Other because
she didn't tuck in her uniform blouse after the crash or something is "up"
with Rose because she didn't believe her husband was dead.

Cindy left that blouse half tucked for all 28(or however many) days. Oversight? I think not! It's a CLUE!!(HA-ha)

I did not read half of this thread sooo...It was the whole truth that Sun gave to Jin, there are not anymore secrets between them, atleast so I think.

Or Gale was telling the whole truth about the balloon.

Oh and WOOT 1100